12-12-2015, 04:31 PM
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What soaps use wheat or oat in them? See the mama bear base uses them,,, and now I curious.

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 12-12-2015, 04:38 PM
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(12-12-2015, 04:31 PM)topcatman Wrote: What soaps use wheat or oat in them? See the mama bear base uses them,,, and now I curious.

No soap I use or have ever used has either of those ingredients. There are some recipes for body soaps that I've considered making with oat but haven't made one yet.

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 12-12-2015, 09:00 PM
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Both the old AdP in the jar (not the new one) and Spencer & Devon (also discontinued) used wheat germ oil.
FWIW, Esbjerg, SV, and B&M (vegan) all use rice bran oil.
And, Valobra uses corn oil (zea mays)... as does the new AoS soap.

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 12-12-2015, 09:32 PM
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the sfic base that mama bear uses has wheat and oat in it, and I cant have any contact with those products. It was a disappointment as I was contemplating buying a sample of that base online for a few bucks.

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 12-13-2015, 01:54 AM
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The wheat and oat protein in melt & pour soaps like the SFIC base is neither oil nor actual grain, it's a hydrolyzed liquid, and it's there as a moisturizer for its film-forming properties.

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 12-17-2015, 09:09 PM
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that raises a question..

if the actual soap base is so wonderful, why would it need moisturizers like that protein..

then I looked further into their website, and its the only difference between there handsoap and shave soap base.

That raises a second more interesting question.

If 5 separate brands of soap have the same identical ingredient list, how can one be superior to the others in terms of shave quality?

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 12-17-2015, 09:29 PM
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(12-17-2015, 09:09 PM)topcatman Wrote: that raises a question..

if the actual soap base is so wonderful, why would it need moisturizers like that protein..

then I looked further into their website, and its the only difference between there handsoap and shave soap base.

That raises a second more interesting question.

If 5 separate brands of soap have the same identical ingredient list, how can one be superior to the others in terms of shave quality?

You need to read about soap making if you are this interested in understanding ingredients and soaps. Fist of all, I don't know of any well known artisans that use M&P, but if you must have Mama Bears then I guess that's what you'll get from what I hear. What 5 brands are you looking at? There are many soaps that have similar ingredients and some have the exact same, but I'm not talking about any M&P soaps that you keep referring to because I don't own or use any. Just because the ingredients are the same does not mean the soap will be the same. For instance, if I make a bath soap with Palm oil, coconut oil, castor oil, and sweet almond oil, and another maker uses the same ingredients and even lists them in the same order, all that means is they are larger to smaller percentages in that order. However, I might have 40% palm, 30% coconut, 15% castor and 15% sweet almond. The other soap could have 60% palm, and 10% of everything else which would be very different in performance. You will never know the quantities, only what is higher based on the order listed.

Why are you so intent on searching for M&P soaps? If you have a problem with them then buy from a well known artisan that doesn't use M&P, which is pretty much any artisan you ever see mentioned on this forum.

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 12-18-2015, 08:05 AM
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My neighbor the Rabbi drinks Mogen David. I love Chateau Neuf du Pape. Both have the same ingredients; grapes and yeast. I shared Seder with him and managed to drink that almost syrupy fluid in an old Czech crystal goblet. Ingredients are just the materials of craftsmen who give us
Starry Nights, Rolls Rolls -Royces or kitsch mass produced English cottage originals and Yugos. Soap is subject to the same factors.

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 12-18-2015, 09:16 AM
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Yeast is a dpecial thing. Its a holy thing.

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 12-18-2015, 09:56 AM
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(12-18-2015, 09:16 AM)topcatman Wrote: Yeast is a dpecial thing. Its a holy thing.

despicable?

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 12-18-2015, 10:00 AM
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(12-18-2015, 09:56 AM)zaclikestoshave Wrote:
(12-18-2015, 09:16 AM)topcatman Wrote: Yeast is a dpecial thing. Its a holy thing.

despicable?

"special"

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 12-18-2015, 10:03 AM
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Spelling is a lost art, apparently.

I have to agree with Kav though; what a craftsman or artisan DO with the ingredients is just as important as what the ingredients are.

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 12-18-2015, 10:44 AM
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letters and all those funny European oomlats etc are ingredients. It's what people WRITE that counts. Like I've never made a typo or spilynj mysteak in my life

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 12-18-2015, 01:07 PM
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(12-18-2015, 10:03 AM)WegianWarrior Wrote: Spelling is a lost art, apparently.

I have to agree with Kav though; what a craftsman or artisan DO with the ingredients is just as important as what the ingredients are.
Signs011

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 12-18-2015, 01:08 PM
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(12-18-2015, 10:44 AM)kav Wrote: letters and all those funny European oomlats etc are ingredients. It's what people WRITE that counts. Like I've never made a typo or spilynj mysteak in my life
24 You missed your calling. I'm thinking stand up comedy.

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 12-18-2015, 03:53 PM
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If you eant better typing buy me a new phone

I made alot of soap in the day

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 12-18-2015, 03:58 PM
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Actually, interesting questions here. Perhaps someone with significant soap making knowledge might help us understand what about those basic ingredients and process makes the best soap makers stand apart.

And...it's downright funny to see spelling corrections from a non-native English speaker, especially one that wields a semi-colon successfully.

And as a hobby Brewer, yeast are miracle creatures, and a source of infinite goodness. There is perhaps no more ordinary example of evidence of a higher power.

But if brewers make wort, and yeast make beer...what do winemakers actually do?

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 12-18-2015, 04:04 PM
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(12-18-2015, 03:58 PM)Streambrewer Wrote: Actually, interesting questions here.  Perhaps someone with significant soap making knowledge might help us understand what about those basic ingredients and process makes the best soap makers stand apart.

And...it's downright funny to see spelling corrections from a non-native English speaker, especially one that wields a semi-colon successfully.  

And as a hobby Brewer, yeast are miracle creatures, and a source of infinite goodness.  There is perhaps no more ordinary example of evidence of a higher power.

But if brewers make wort, and yeast make beer...what do winemakers actually do?

They make many people very happy Biggrin

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 12-18-2015, 04:05 PM
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And I should add, I'm quite happy at the moment.

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 12-18-2015, 04:08 PM
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(12-18-2015, 04:05 PM)chazt Wrote: And I should add, I'm quite happy at the moment.
Well said!

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