12-30-2015, 07:22 AM
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I'm interested in owning both a Thater 4125/2 2-band bulb and fan but am not sure.

For some background, I own a Thater 4292/5 2-band Bulb and have found it to have wonderful hair, but just slightly a bit floppy due to its higher loft.  Additionally, I currently also have three other 2-band brushes which are all shavemacs, and only one of these brushes is lower in loft (2-band fan 25mm x 51.5 Rudy Vey) which is pretty much a perfect brush for me in terms of backbone but still soft on the tips.  The other two Shavemacs I own are Higher lofted custom bulbs (26x58 and 26x56).  Now, these Shavemac 2-band bulbs are truly luxurious, but I find them just a touch floppy as well, like the Thater 4292 I mentioned earlier.

How many of you have 4125/0-3 brushes?  Would you guys recommend those to me? I understand that these are lower lofted and I enjoy both fans and bulbs.  The amount of scrub these brushes might have concern me a bit however.  Is concern necessary or will these brushes have the softness/backbone I'm looking for?

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 12-30-2015, 07:36 AM
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I used to have the 4125/2 in both a bulb and a fan.  They had very soft hair but not enough backbone for me.  I replaced them with a custom Shavemac.  It's a 173 handle, which is identical to the 4125, with a 26mm silvertip 2-band set at a loft of 50mm.  This is a superb brush, with softness and backbone.   For me, the ability to customize my knot diameter and loft is a huge plus in favor of Shavemac.

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 12-30-2015, 07:47 AM
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I wouldn't recommend the Thater fans if you are looking for backbone, as the fans have less backbone than the equivalent bulb versions.

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 12-30-2015, 12:19 PM
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(12-30-2015, 07:36 AM)TheLegalRazor Wrote: I used to have the 4125/2 in both a bulb and a fan.  They had very soft hair but not enough backbone for me.  I replaced them with a custom Shavemac.  It's a 173 handle, which is identical to the 4125, with a 26mm silvertip 2-band set at a loft of 50mm.  This is a superb brush, with softness and backbone.   For me, the ability to customize my knot diameter and loft is a huge plus in favor of Shavemac.

I would have to concur with what Richardo has said about the Shavemac Silvertip 2-Band knots. I believe you would find them much more to your liking.
Good luck.

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 12-30-2015, 04:31 PM
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My all time favorite brush  is a shavemack, 
silvertip, fan, 2 band, set at 26/50..
I prefer it much more then my thater 2 band fan and bulb

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 12-30-2015, 06:21 PM
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I have a Thater 4125/2 Bulb in 3 band and it's perfect for me in softness and backbone. I face lather but don't really like a lot of backbone. I have heard this brush described as floppy by some but I don't feel it is floppy at all. I guess it is YMMV. It sounds like you won't be happy with a Thater because the lofts are all taller than you like. I have not owned a Thater 2 band 4125 but hear it has only slightly more backbone.

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 12-30-2015, 07:18 PM
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Ok gentlemen. Perhaps I'll just order another Shavemac But just set the loft lower. 

To you all that have shavemac bulbs and fans set at 50mm lofts and below, are these scrubby or do they just have softness with nice backbone? I do like my fan set at a low loft but I'm concerned about a bulb being set that low.

Like I said I am very happy with my shavemac bulbs but just wish I'd have gone lower with the lofts than 58 and 56 mm.

Thanks for all your assistance gentlemen

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 12-30-2015, 07:39 PM
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My bulb is 24/50 and presents as 25mm. There's no scrubbiness per se because the tips are so soft, but there's plenty of face feel (scrub without scritch?) and backbone. That's as low a loft as I'd care to go, though. My 24/52 bulb, which presents as at least a 25mm knot (if not more), feels a tad softer with that extra 2mm loft, and flowthrough is slightly improved. I think the extra loft helps things all around without losing significant firmness.

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 12-30-2015, 09:26 PM
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I have a shavemack silvertip 2 band, set at 24X48..

Still soft but of course more back bone..
I DON'T LIKE SCRITCH/SCRATCH. My face can't take it ..
Especially on the third pass
The 26X50 ss two band fan has good flow trough, backbone, and softness..
I have enough leather to head shave as well

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 12-31-2015, 04:51 AM
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Thanks for the recommendations fellas.  Do you guys think I would be ok then, if I went with this setup for a couple more brushes?

26x52 Fan (or should I go 26x50)
25x52 Bulb

I'm with you all on scritch/scratch.  I have only two boars that I can use at all and they have slight, tiny bit of prickliness that I have to be very careful with. I just want backbone and soft tips period.

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 12-31-2015, 05:13 AM
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26x48 is my recommendation for a fan (50mm max). 

25x52 is great for a bulb (have one of these in fact), 50mm might be even better if you really want backbone.

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 12-31-2015, 05:28 AM
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I would go for the Shavemac Silvertip two band personally I have three of these brushes all fan shaped knots one with a 24mm knot and a loft set at 46mm which still as wonderful soft tips plus plenty of backbone, and another two  with 26mm knots with 48mm lofts they are the exactly the same perfect, I've owned the Thater Finest Silvertip two band 4125/2 fan with the 26mm knot and a 49mm loft and without doubt this brush as the softest tips of any brush I've ever used including Rooney Heritage brushes, but I did find it slightly lacking backbone maybe If that brush could be ordered with a 46mm loft it might just be the perfect brush.

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 01-01-2016, 05:05 PM
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I used to own a 4125/1 with a 2-band bulb knot. Very nice brush, but if you are expecting the backbone/density of something even the dense non-Chubby Simpsons or Rooney Heritage brushes from a few years ago, forget it.

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