02-15-2016, 11:13 PM
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I thought a listing of no palm oil- or 'appropriate technology' soaps with other positive factors would be worthwhile. AGAIN, this in no way judges the makers or users. If you find fault in my comment speak up.

Saponificio Soaps: The label boasts  non palm oil use. The ingredients are a fascinating list of alternatives.

Mitchell's Woolfat Soap: Rendered animals. Proponents of animal welfare or the impact of livestock on the environment will find fault. Issues beyond
moral stances include increased water and grain use for a lower yield in actual food. Big ruminates produce a lot of climate changing METHANE AKA
'gas or parting wind'. NEVER smoke near a DVM using a Trocar Canula on a bloated cow! They also, wild or domestic belong in some places. The American Midwest was bison country and they recycled nutrients. Africa held the most massive and diverse herds on earth. You want unseen connections? Our Pacific Northwest Salmon literally bring nutrients upstream unavailable to the trees. Bears eat the salmon, poop and other animals
consume said poop and deliver needed nutrients to the forest itself.

SdM: uses Palm Oil from 'certified sources' There are small growers of 'sustainable palm oil' plantations and increased regulation and use will help.
I use it because( beyond an excellent shave) this family is preserving a cultural and environmental heritage of France, uses low impact packaging ( renewable basswood) and exhibit good stewardship of their land and animals. We horse people can tell just looking at the stock.

Mystic Waters: Michelle is aware of the issues and states very little is used. Awareness is a major step for anyone,big or little.

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 02-15-2016, 11:24 PM
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As of January 1st, of this year, I'm only using the sustainably grown palm oil in my shaving soap, which as you mentioned is a very small amount.

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 02-16-2016, 12:02 AM
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I'm no expert at reading ingredients labels, but Brutalt Bra appears to be free of it.


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 02-16-2016, 12:03 AM
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Tim's soaps has a Green Label line that doesn't use Palm oil but uses something derived from Soybeans instead?

CRSW has an Olive oil soap line as well.

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 02-16-2016, 05:46 AM
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Anyone who is serious on this matter needs to bear in mind that most of the commercially available stearic acid comes from palm oil as well. Unless the artisan says they specifically use RSPO-certified sources, chances are their stearic acid is coming from the same palm trees you're trying to boycott.

Of note, Bufflehead and Mickey Lee Soapworks both use RSPO-certified palm products.

Edit - I think the only good choice out there for the environmentally-concerned is Saponificio Varesino, as it is made without palm oil or animal products.

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 02-16-2016, 06:16 AM
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People will use what they like. Again, the word boycott has not been used on any level here or elsewhere. The key word is educate. I know, from firsthand experience living a 100% ethical consumer lifestyle is near impossible and can lead to paralysis. Redwood Summer base camp: Hey! what
happened to the soy milk and almond granola ( do you know how much water it takes to grow one commercial almond? Do not get me started on the lack of joy in Soy). We're hungry! Oh ( spoken by a Big Sur earth mother; braided armpit hair, patchouli bought by 55 gallon drum, indian sari  and birkenstocks failing to cover the uncoverable) I fed it to our forest brothers. It had to much packaging. I recycled the containers writing letters to
Monsanto.
This biker/AIM warrior in sunglasses and Billy Jack black hat  roars up. HOKA HEY! I brought lunch! He produces big, bloody chunks of buffalo from a nearby organic farm. Everyone recoils. We BBQ the meat. Desperate conversations take place among the 6' fern understory. ' Well, you know, eating
buffalo to the first peoples is like taking communion. I'm catholic, did you know that? No, I'm jewish  is he cooking it in milk? it would be rude to refuse his food even if we are VEGANS.
Minor stampede to the now medium rare slabs of meat. I manage one steak, grabbed by hand from the coals as the earth mother tries to steal two.

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 02-16-2016, 10:54 AM
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There is no such thing as sustainable palm oil! It's a manipulated term like Organic, or Free Range, etc...Tons of loopholes crafted in the definition and corporate lawyers have expertly pinned down those definitions. FYI, I have and love many soaps which contain Palm oil Smile

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/6082

http://www.saynotopalmoil.com/Whats_the_issue.php

http://theirturn.net/2015/04/02/sustainable-palm-oil/

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 02-16-2016, 12:31 PM
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Kav, LOL!

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 02-16-2016, 09:27 PM
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How does palm oil appear on ingredient labels? It seems there are multiple forms, so I'm not sure what to look for to identify soaps that use it.


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 02-16-2016, 09:49 PM
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(02-16-2016, 09:27 PM)Watson15 Wrote: How does palm oil appear on ingredient labels? It seems there are multiple forms, so I'm not sure what to look for to identify soaps that use it.


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Off the top of my head....

Sodium Palmate
Potassium Palmate
Dendé oil
Elaeis guineensus
Elaeis oleifera

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 02-16-2016, 09:56 PM
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(02-16-2016, 09:27 PM)Watson15 Wrote: How does palm oil appear on ingredient labels? It seems there are multiple forms, so I'm not sure what to look for to identify soaps that use it.
Examples: Palmitic acid, Palmate, Palmitate, Palm Kernel oil, Palm Kernelate, etcetera.

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 02-16-2016, 10:04 PM
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(02-16-2016, 09:27 PM)Watson15 Wrote: How does palm oil appear on ingredient labels? It seems there are multiple forms, so I'm not sure what to look for to identify soaps that use it.


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Stearic acid


Unfortunate, but the majority of stearate is sourced from palm oil.

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 02-16-2016, 10:22 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised the majority of stearic acid is sourced from palm!

(Stearic acid is also sourced from animal - of course, that's problematic for vegans.)

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 02-17-2016, 11:45 PM
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Sounds like the list of palm oil free soaps is short...


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 02-18-2016, 07:34 AM
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All of our soaps (CRSW SELECT v.1, v.2 and OLIVA) are free of ANY palm oil. We do not use it as an ingredient in any of our soaps. In addition, the stearic acid used in all of our soaps is "Specialty Grade" and made entirely from soybean and sunflower.


I'm not positive this is the case for most manufacturers as stearic acid made from mostly palm and tallow is most commonly used since it is readily available and cheap.

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 02-18-2016, 08:18 AM
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There you go people! We become aware of an issue. We learn and we educate. Options are available, both for consumer and soapmaker. No boycotts or confronting Larry outside his home dressed in Orangutang costumes telling the neighborhood kids he's killing forest creatures because the ACME soap company has underpaid security guards hoping to vent their frustrations while reading old Soldier of Misfortune magazines.

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 02-18-2016, 09:24 AM
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(02-18-2016, 08:18 AM)kav Wrote: There you go people! We become aware of an issue. We learn and we educate. Options are available, both for consumer and soapmaker. No boycotts or confronting Larry outside his home dressed in Orangutang costumes telling the neighborhood kids he's killing forest creatures because the ACME soap company has underpaid security guards hoping to vent their frustrations while reading old Soldier of Misfortune magazines.

Haha! I always enjoy reading your posts Kav.

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 02-18-2016, 01:17 PM
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(02-18-2016, 08:18 AM)kav Wrote: There you go people! We become aware of an issue. We learn and we educate. Options are available, both for consumer and soapmaker. No boycotts or confronting Larry outside his home dressed in Orangutang costumes telling the neighborhood kids he's killing forest creatures because the ACME soap company has underpaid security guards hoping to vent their frustrations while reading old Soldier of Misfortune magazines.

This is America isn't it? Free country, I'll do what I want!

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 02-21-2016, 12:03 PM
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(02-18-2016, 07:34 AM)ColdRiverSoap Wrote: All of our soaps (CRSW SELECT v.1, v.2 and OLIVA) are free of ANY palm oil. We do not use it as an ingredient in any of our soaps. In addition, the stearic acid used in all of our soaps is "Specialty Grade" and made entirely from soybean and sunflower.


I'm not positive this is the case for most manufacturers as stearic acid made from mostly palm and tallow is most commonly used since it is readily available and cheap.

I'm glad to hear this. Just another reason to love my CRSW soaps. Smile

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 02-22-2016, 03:36 PM
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Anyone here ever hear George Carlin's take on save the planet people? Completely hysterical and to vulgar to quote here but really funny I dont know if this is allowed but here is a link


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