03-12-2016, 05:04 PM
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Considering Epsilon horse hair brush. Fan top with short loft. Any feedback welcome as I've never used a horse hair brush. White vs brown hair ?

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 03-12-2016, 05:19 PM
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I have the beehive Vie-Long from Bullgoose.

It has white hair.

Love it!

Did not smell nice at first. You should know that going on. Once it was thoroughly defunked it has been nothing short of amazing for me.

Wasn't even on my radar to consider a horse hair brush even several weeks ago. I'm happy I got one. Sad I didn't try one sooner.

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 03-12-2016, 07:45 PM
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I am fond of my horse hair brushes.  My Epsilon (in brown) was more dense with softer tips than my first two Vie Long brushes.  It also seemed to be a slightly larger knot than advertised. Loads of backbone.  I believe that the white has been bleached, but haven't tried it.  

The biggest difference for me is that it requires a painting motion on your face, and I think they are better suited for creams.  Vigorous swirls or pushing that would be nothing for a badger brush will tend to tangle a horse.  My first Vie Long did not tangle, the other two have.  A minor adjustment in technique and no more issue.  

But the tips are as soft, or softer, as any of my two-band badger brushes. If you want a super dense brush with very soft tips, the Epsilon is well suited.  

They smell like...horse.  Just like badger brushes seem to smell like a dead badger, and boar brushes smell like boars.  It also has the virtue of not killing the critter in the process of harvesting if that matters to you.

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 03-12-2016, 10:00 PM
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  • EricM
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I'm breaking in a new Vie Long and the first shave was stinky as all get out.  It improved greatly on shave 2, and seems to be getting better by the day.  It has a nice consistency between boar and badger.

Eric

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 03-13-2016, 03:19 AM
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Thanks for the input gentlemen. Funkiness seems prevalent at first. I've only seen Epsilon on the site G&C. Must be a house brand using Vie-long hair knots?.

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 03-13-2016, 08:22 AM
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure Epsilon is a Vie-Long product range. A specific group of handles I thought.

I may be off base though.

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 03-13-2016, 08:32 AM
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  • Devilanche
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I was of the impression that epsilom are bigger knots than vie long.

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 03-13-2016, 08:59 AM
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The vendor section provides info on the epsilon brushes from giftsandcare themselves.

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 03-13-2016, 09:42 AM
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Epsilon would be the line giftsandcare carries exclusively, they are made by vie-long

My friend had a 27x50 brown horse fan epsilon that I loved, soft as a thater, flow through was much better than the epsilon badgers, using circles, it handled just as well as badger but it was only 1 use, no tangling though. It was one of the most enjoyable brushes if not the most enjoyable I've used. Hope this helps

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 03-13-2016, 10:32 AM
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I've been looking at thoseas well.  Can anyone speak to the difference between the white and brown horse hair of the epsilon, if there is a difference?

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 03-14-2016, 11:18 AM
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Pulled the plug and placed an order for a Epsilon White Horse Hair “Fan Shape” Black Shaving Brush 27mm knot today. Thanks all for your input.

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 03-14-2016, 11:36 AM
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  • kav
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The difference between a white and brown brush reflects the difference while still on the horse. You have to wash white horses more often. Aside from that there is no difference.

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 03-14-2016, 11:54 AM
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I have a couple of Vie Long horsehair brushes - one #12705B natural white, one #13051M unbleached tan, and one #14033 mixed horse-badger. The 12705B is the slightly softer of the two pure horses - not because it's white, but because it's a 50/50 mix of mane and tail, while the 13051M is a 35/65 mix.

Both are wonderful brushes, as is the 14033. I can't recommend horse hair high enough; it lathers great, feels great and is animal friendly.

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