03-15-2016, 08:55 AM
#1
User Info
I have been using and R41 (2013) for a couple of months now after using a Merkur C39 Slant exclusively with Feather blades for almost ten years.


As an experiment I dropped a new Feather into a Slim Adjustable I have not used in those ten years, set it to 8 and made a start on 2.5 day's growth. After a single stroke said to myself "This is a toy" and upped to 9.

I got an OK shave with three passes and a lot of buffing especially around my troublesome area. (The right heel of my jaw.) I got a pleasantly close shave - about as good as the Slant but with more effort and therefore a little more irritation as judged by my use of an alum block. It was nowhere near as close or as effortless as the R41+ Feather using two passes (with and across) and some modest touching up.

I will put the vintage Gillette away again. I used it effortlessly even though the handle is shorter and lighter than I prefer. I did like the secure grip afforded by the deep grooving of the handle, but I will not be using it again any time soon. My wirely white whiskers need a more robust razor.

Half an hour on, and my face is still mildly complaining though the shave is very close and nick free.

Comments?

0 42
Reply
 03-15-2016, 09:38 AM
#2
User Info
I prefer my wide open adjustables to my 37c.  They give me results pretty similar to my R41.  The R41 may give me just a little bit of a closer shave, but but adjustables are just a little more smooth.  My caveat is that I don't do any ATG passes, which seems to be a pretty big factor for many people who get a long well with the slants.

1 296
Reply
 03-16-2016, 02:08 PM
#3
  • pbrmhl
  • Active Member
  • Seattle
User Info
(03-15-2016, 08:55 AM)Labarum Wrote: I have been using and R41 (2013) for a couple of months now after using a Merkur C39 Slant exclusively with Feather blades for almost ten years.


As an experiment I dropped a new Feather into a Slim Adjustable I have not used in those ten years, set it to 8 and made a start on 2.5 day's growth. After a single stroke said to myself "This is a toy" and upped to 9.

I got an OK shave with three passes and a lot of buffing especially around my troublesome area. (The right heel of my jaw.) I got a pleasantly close shave - about as good as the Slant but with more effort and therefore a little more irritation as judged by my use of an alum block. It was nowhere near as close or as effortless as the R41+ Feather using two passes (with and across) and some modest touching up.

I will put the vintage Gillette away again. I used it effortlessly even though the handle is shorter and lighter than I prefer. I did like the secure grip afforded by the deep grooving of the handle, but I will not be using it again any time soon. My wirely white whiskers need a more robust razor.

Half an hour on, and my face is still mildly complaining though the shave is very close and nick free.

Comments?

I have the same beard type, and had the exact same experience. I've tried the Slim at 9 several times, but can't get a close shave without a lot of time spent buffing. Even then, inevitably a rough patch remains. I gave the Slim to my son. I've got three R41s, though!

5 316
Reply
 03-16-2016, 08:36 PM
#4
User Info
"I've got three R41s"

Why on earth have you three R41s? I have two, but I have two properties and keep one in each.

0 42
Reply
 03-17-2016, 03:03 AM
#5
  • BobH
  • Senior Member
  • Thunder Bay Canada
User Info
I have a Muhle R41 2013 ver., Merkur Slant and several Gillette Fat Boys. I shave daily doing 4 passes. When using a Feather blade the Gillette Fat Boy set @9 will give the Muhle R41 a run for it's money. The Merkur slant with the same blade is just barely a hair behind the other two. All 3 give me close comfortable shaves. Just another case of YMMV.

Bob

0 1,694
Reply
 03-17-2016, 03:07 AM
#6
User Info
Do the Fat Boy and the Slim share the same head geometry?

0 42
Reply
 03-17-2016, 03:29 AM
#7
User Info
(03-17-2016, 03:07 AM)Labarum Wrote: Do the Fat Boy and the Slim share the same head geometry?

The Fat Boy has a slightly thicker head. Other than that it's my understanding that the heads are the same. Someone is free to correct me on that though as I currently only own the Slim.

0 611
Reply
 03-17-2016, 04:34 AM
#8
  • BobH
  • Senior Member
  • Thunder Bay Canada
User Info
(03-17-2016, 03:29 AM)Blackland Razors Wrote:
(03-17-2016, 03:07 AM)Labarum Wrote: Do the Fat Boy and the Slim share the same head geometry?

The Fat Boy has a slightly thicker head. Other than that it's my understanding that the heads are the same. Someone is free to correct me on that though as I currently only own the Slim.

That is my understanding also.
It could be that since not all DEs have the same geometry you might have to adjust the angle on the razor to get the most out of it. Especially if it has a narrow sweet spot where it cuts well without scraping.

0 1,694
Reply
 03-17-2016, 07:28 AM
#9
User Info
(03-17-2016, 03:03 AM)BobH Wrote: I have a Muhle R41 2013 ver., Merkur Slant and several Gillette Fat Boys. I shave daily doing 4 passes. When using a Feather blade the Gillette Fat Boy set @9 will give the Muhle R41 a run for it's money. The Merkur slant with the same blade is just barely a hair behind the other two. All 3 give me close comfortable shaves. Just another case of YMMV.

Bob

I agree about the Fatboy.  I actually had mine set with custom gaps a couple of levels higher than normal, so mine gets me even closer.

1 296
Reply
 03-17-2016, 07:30 AM
#10
User Info
(03-17-2016, 03:07 AM)Labarum Wrote: Do the Fat Boy and the Slim share the same head geometry?

(03-17-2016, 03:29 AM)Blackland Razors Wrote:
(03-17-2016, 03:07 AM)Labarum Wrote: Do the Fat Boy and the Slim share the same head geometry?

The Fat Boy has a slightly thicker head. Other than that it's my understanding that the heads are the same. Someone is free to correct me on that though as I currently only own the Slim.

Correct.  The Slim is a slightly thinner head.  To my skin, they give nearly identical shaves.  The size difference in the handles isn't nearly as big as it looks via pictures.  It's minimal.  If anything, the balance is a little different.  The Slim is a little more head-heavy.  But again, the differences are small in my opinion.

1 296
Reply
 03-17-2016, 08:07 AM
#11
User Info
The Slim and the Fatboy don't have the same gaps at the same settings, though.  I think the Slim is slightly more aggressive at every setting. 

I much prefer the Fatboy.  The balance is better and I actually like the domed head; makes it easier to find the correct angle in the hollows under the jaw. 

YMMV.

2 1,390
Reply
 03-17-2016, 08:23 AM
#12
User Info
(03-17-2016, 08:07 AM)kingfisher Wrote:  I actually like the domed head

I do prefer the domes heads used by Merkur and Muhle to the snub nosed heads of the Gillettes I know.

0 42
Reply
 03-17-2016, 10:11 AM
#13
  • pbrmhl
  • Active Member
  • Seattle
User Info
(03-16-2016, 08:36 PM)Labarum Wrote: "I've got three R41s"

Why on earth have you three R41s? I have two, but I have two properties and keep one in each.

I've got one 2011 and two of the 2013 variety. Given the Zamak construction, I want to have a spare 2013. I would have a spare 2011 as well if I could find one.

5 316
Reply
 04-04-2016, 07:50 AM
#14
User Info
I prefer a FatBoy over a R41 any day.  Better more comfortable shave for me.

0 79
Reply
 04-04-2016, 09:01 AM
#15
User Info
Sounds like the beard type is the big issue here.
My Slim on 9 with a good blade (like a Spoiler, say) has brought me down to two passes plus touch-up with great comfort.

8 896
Reply
 04-04-2016, 11:57 AM
#16
  • KRpdx
  • Member
  • Portland, OR
User Info
(03-17-2016, 10:11 AM)pbrmhl Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 08:36 PM)Labarum Wrote: "I've got three R41s"

Why on earth have you three R41s? I have two, but I have two properties and keep one in each.

I've got one 2011 and two of the 2013 variety. Given the Zamak construction, I want to have a spare 2013. I would have a spare 2011 as well if I could find one.

Don't want to sidetrack the thread, but the Ikon Tech put my 2013 R41 to rest, literally, along w/my concerns about zamak: aluminum head and a closer, more comfortable shave...as long as my technique is patient and conscientious.

12 163
Reply
 04-06-2016, 04:40 PM
#17
User Info
KR, Scott also has a Shavecraft Tech... I agree that it is a one of a kind efficient razor... And three cheers for it being aluminum!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

18 194
Reply
 04-06-2016, 04:50 PM
#18
  • pbrmhl
  • Active Member
  • Seattle
User Info
Yes, KR, I agree that the Ikon Tech is king of the hill. And davidsilva introduced me to it! (He also PIF'd me my first injector, a Schick G, which I'm thoroughly enjoying. In fact, I've since ordered a Schick E. Thanks for pointing me to a new rabbit hole, David!)  By the way, given how Ikons come and go, I've also got a spare Shavecraft Tech...you can't be too careful when it comes to your favorite shave.

Back to the glorious Muhle R41!

(04-06-2016, 04:40 PM)davidsilva Wrote: KR, Scott also has a Shavecraft Tech... I agree that it is a one of a kind efficient razor... And three cheers for it being aluminum!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

--Scott

5 316
Reply
 04-07-2016, 03:45 PM
#19
User Info
Scott, I'm delighted that you are enjoying injectors. I'll be interested in hearing how the Type E shaves for you!

Such an amazing variety of new and old razors to enjoy!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

18 194
Reply
Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)