04-14-2016, 06:36 AM
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  • Teddyboy
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I just received the Vie-Long Epsilon two-band badger brush, 27/50 a few days ago.  Out of the box it was quite attractive; the knot was dense and surprisingly soft.

However, I have never smelled a more funkified badger knot in my life.  Dishwashing detergent [twice], shampoo [twice], hand lather 5 times and face lather 4.  It's reducing, but I can still smell it.

Also, it does not whip up a lather like my other brushes.   It may need a break-in period, or perhaps it is a real lather-hog.

What were your experiences with the Epsilon brush?

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 04-14-2016, 06:48 AM
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I have the 27x50 3band and they are very hungy brushes.


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 04-14-2016, 07:54 AM
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Ted, the knots in those Epsilon 2-Band brushes are superb! I much prefer the 55mm loft as the 50mm doesn't splay as much as I would like it to.

Enjoy the brush. Shy

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 04-14-2016, 08:14 AM
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They are definitely real badger cause they reek out of the box haha!  And yes they do need a lot of product to get going.  I have been starting it off in the bowl just to get the lather going initially and a few swirls between passes and it helped get me to the three passes plus touch-ups I desired.  Never had any issue face-lathering 3-band though.  One of if not the best 3-band knot I've ever experienced! (27x50 that is)

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 04-14-2016, 09:07 AM
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Thanks guys.  I needed the encouragement.

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 04-14-2016, 02:22 PM
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I don't know what just happened... touched something and now I gotta start all over... rrrrrrrrrrr......


Ted, keep your eyes on the prize. After a half dozen lathers with scented soaps the funk will be gone. Load heavy. I load my Epsilons for 45-60 seconds or so (depending upon the soap's mood), slowly add plenty of water, face lather (never bowl) for 3+ minutes, and am rewarded with enough lather for 3 passes plus touchups. My 2 band is 55, the 3 band is 50. They're both Amazing brushes! Dense, great backbone, soft soft tips with Zero scritch, and just the right amount of pleasing, scrub. These Epsilons are some seriously satisfying brushes! This was my first experience with bulb shaped knots, but after a couple of shaves I was grooving on their differentness. I'd love to see Epsilon introduce fan knots, and maybe even bump the knot up a bit. I yearn for an Epsilon 30x55 fan. Oh, I yearn...

Think I'll use the 2 band tonight.

Thanks, Ted!!! Biggrin

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 04-14-2016, 05:57 PM
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If you like backbone and scrub, you have an outstanding brush.  I just started shaving with mine and the smell gradually went away after a few shaves.

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 04-15-2016, 05:09 AM
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Thanks again guys.

I just went for the 27/55 after reading all of your comments.  I wish there was a rehab for shaving brushes I could go to, a kind of 12-step program.

"Hi.  My name is Ted" and I'm a face-latherer.  I've been like this for about nine years and it seems to be getting worse...."

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 04-15-2016, 05:48 AM
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You can use a oxygenated cleanser or even peroxide mixture as I've had success with those.

Can always make your own. I've experimented with many homemade cleaners.
Ingredients :
* 1/3 cup witch hazel or rubbing alcohol.
* 1 tsp low residue soap. Zero or Woolite. Dish soap meets criteria.
* 1 tsp oil, i.e. olive oil, fractionated coconut oil, jojoba, almond, or avocado.
* 1 cup distilled or R/O warm water
* 3 drops of tea tree oil (natural anti-fungal) or wild oregano oil.
Shake before every use. Small spray bottle to apply. Rub and rinse in warm water.


Rob [Image: happy088.gif]

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 04-15-2016, 06:20 AM
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(04-15-2016, 05:09 AM)Teddyboy Wrote: Thanks again guys.

I just went for the 27/55 after reading all of your comments. I wish there was a rehab for shaving brushes I could go to, a kind of 12-step program.

"Hi.  My name is Ted" and I'm a face-latherer.  I've been like this for about nine years and it seems to be getting worse...."

Well done, Ted, and you have just taken another step towards recovery. Biggrin

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 04-15-2016, 07:50 AM
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Pictures gentlemen, this thread needs pictures!!!

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 04-15-2016, 07:55 AM
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(04-15-2016, 05:48 AM)Red Rider Wrote: You can use a oxygenated cleanser or even peroxide mixture as I've had success with those.

Can always make your own. I've experimented with many homemade cleaners.
Ingredients :
* 1/3 cup witch hazel or rubbing alcohol.
* 1 tsp low residue soap. Zero or Woolite. Dish soap meets criteria.
* 1 tsp oil, i.e. olive oil, fractionated coconut oil, jojoba, almond, or avocado.
* 1 cup distilled or R/O warm water
* 3 drops of tea tree oil (natural anti-fungal) or wild oregano oil.
Shake before every use. Small spray bottle to apply. Rub and rinse in warm water.


Rob [Image: happy088.gif]

Well done.  Many thanks.  There's at least one I can use.

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 04-15-2016, 12:52 PM
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I got a 27/55 3 band (sliver tip) and it stinks bad. I lather in my hand and pulled out brown soap. It still stinks.

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 04-16-2016, 03:51 AM
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(04-15-2016, 07:50 AM)ssultan Wrote: Pictures gentlemen, this thread needs pictures!!!

Here y'go Smile

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 04-16-2016, 03:37 PM
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Thanks for the help.  I could not find my Canon Sure Shot.

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 04-21-2016, 10:01 AM
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(04-15-2016, 12:52 PM)Chaddy Wrote: I got a 27/55 3 band (sliver tip) and it stinks bad. I lather in my hand and pulled out brown soap. It still stinks.

I have the 27/50 3 band and I've used it a half dozen times.  It still stinks and I have some brown lather coming out when I squeeze out the remaining lather at the end of shave too.  This is the only brush I've had where that happens.

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 04-21-2016, 10:31 AM
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The 27 x 50 2-band bulb is the knot for me. I wish that I had them in all of my brush handles. Very little splay producing a pleasant scrub.  Superior backbone while surprisingly soft.

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 04-21-2016, 10:42 AM
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(04-21-2016, 10:31 AM)Bullock Wrote: The 27 x 50 2-band bulb is the knot for me. I wish that I had them in all of my brush handles. Very little splay producing a pleasant scrub.  Superior backbone while surprisingly soft.

You can easily remedy this by getting enough Epsilon 2-Bands brushes to have one of the brush artisans set them into your current handles. Biggrin

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 04-21-2016, 10:48 AM
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(04-21-2016, 10:42 AM)celestino Wrote:
(04-21-2016, 10:31 AM)Bullock Wrote: The 27 x 50 2-band bulb is the knot for me. I wish that I had them in all of my brush handles. Very little splay producing a pleasant scrub.  Superior backbone while surprisingly soft.

You can easily remedy this by getting enough Epsilon 2-Bands brushes to have one of the brush artisans set them into your current handles. Biggrin

Celestino, I'm thinking about having an artisan like DK remove the knot from my Epsilon and set into a different handle.  This is feasible, correct?  I've read about it but never done it myself.

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 04-21-2016, 11:08 AM
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Dear TSN members: My name is Mrs Hyancinth Badger ( it's pronounced Boujer). My neighbor Pyewacket allowed me to use KAV's laptop ( how does he type with all that peanut butter and jelly residue between the keys?) while he's eating steak and eggs for lunch. I must take umbrage at the continued depreciatory remarks RE: the scent of badgers, horses and boars. We are very clean animals who smell as the creator formed us. If you find offense use a synthetic. Y.O.S. Mrs badger.
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