06-13-2016, 01:12 PM
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I have an early version Gillette New Deluxe - Criterion or Traveller. The serial number shows that it is 1930, instead of 1935. 


I am looking for a New Deluxe in 3-piece configuration - handle separates from the base.

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 06-14-2016, 04:23 PM
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These old razors are just too cool. They are like seeing a model t. The wonderment... Someday, I hope to be a guardian of one. Good luck

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 06-14-2016, 04:25 PM
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I believe this is a Gillette new standard. I have the same one, fantastic razor, one of my favorites. I'm not positive on the name though I've had trouble identifying, I do believe the gold color denotes a bostonian model as well

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 06-15-2016, 07:41 AM
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Here is why i believe it is a 1930 Criterion.  First it has a serial number.  


From the Wiki Page:
  • "In 1930 Gillette stopped using serial numbers on razors. So razors made from 1930-49 can be difficult to date precisely."
  • The note for production year 1930 states, "In this year only De Luxe models were numbered, starting with 1-D, and often the final D was omitted."


Then I looked to the Mr-Razor site HERE
  • I look for the diamond handle, attached to the base, and for gold finish.  
  • All I see is the Criterion or 1930 traveler's set.

I agree with LstSpirit, these are such cool pieces of history.  I actually like the New Improved models more, because they still had the bullets, but shaved better than the Olds.

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 06-15-2016, 09:27 AM
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(06-14-2016, 04:25 PM)Safelysimpson Wrote: I believe this is a Gillette new standard. I have the same one, fantastic razor, one of my favorites. I'm not positive on the name though I've had trouble identifying, I do believe the gold color denotes a bostonian model as well

if what you have is a new standard, then look at the bottom of the baseplate.  It has 2 holes and the studs from the cap slip through.  http://www.mr-razor.com/Rasierer/New%20I...ngland.jpg

although this razor did come as a Bostonian, Bostonian only really refers to the case.  Put this razor in a New standard case, its a new standard, or a richwood case, etc.

The OP does in fact have a New deluxe.  The 3 piece version looks like a common bar new but the bar handle has a slightly different pattern of the smooth banding and again the head is like the OPs with the flat baseplate.   Mine came in a red and black set which I believe is correct. 

Great razors.  If I had an extra, Id trade.   Good luck!

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 06-15-2016, 01:32 PM
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(06-15-2016, 09:27 AM)justjoshin1984 Wrote:
(06-14-2016, 04:25 PM)Safelysimpson Wrote: I believe this is a Gillette new standard. I have the same one, fantastic razor, one of my favorites. I'm not positive on the name though I've had trouble identifying, I do believe the gold color denotes a bostonian model as well

if what you have is a new standard, then look at the bottom of the baseplate.  It has 2 holes and the studs from the cap slip through.  http://www.mr-razor.com/Rasierer/New%20I...ngland.jpg

although this razor did come as a Bostonian, Bostonian only really refers to the case.  Put this razor in a New standard case, its a new standard, or a richwood case, etc.

The OP does in fact have a New deluxe.  The 3 piece version looks like a common bar new but the bar handle has a slightly different pattern of the smooth banding and again the head is like the OPs with the flat baseplate.   Mine came in a red and black set which I believe is correct. 

Great razors.  If I had an extra, Id trade.   Good luck!
It also came with a common bar.

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 06-16-2016, 06:12 AM
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(06-15-2016, 01:32 PM)lloydrm Wrote: It also came with a common bar.

I mentioned that, or did you mean a regular common bar?  As far as I know, the common bar looking deluxes, which actually were never labled as a deluxe by gillete were sold in red and black sets.  The handle looks like a common bar, but there is a larger smooth band at the top by the neck.  If your interested, Ill send you pics of what I mean off of this gentlemens thread.   did they come on reguar bar handles as well?

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 06-16-2016, 06:30 AM
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(06-16-2016, 06:12 AM)justjoshin1984 Wrote:
(06-15-2016, 01:32 PM)lloydrm Wrote: It also came with a common bar.

I mentioned that, or did you mean a regular common bar?  As far as I know, the common bar looking deluxes, which actually were never labled as a deluxe by gillete were sold in red and black sets.  The handle looks like a common bar, but there is a larger smooth band at the top by the neck.  If your interested, Ill send you pics of what I mean off of this gentlemens thread.   did they come on reguar bar handles as well?

I would like to see a picture.  It may be the very razor that I'm hoping to trade for.  Thanks

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 06-16-2016, 08:51 PM
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The subject is discussed here. There was a thread with a clearer proof that they came with the regular (round shouldered) common bar handle. Can't find though, sorry. 
Mine came with the flat shoulder but that handle is hardly ever used. 

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OP: Derek won this one to me. TBH when I saw his thread I was, well, envious ... I was patient and found mine later on the bay for less and in good shape. Be patient and you will find yours. IME the common bar ones are frequently offered as standard NEWs. Good luck.

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 06-17-2016, 03:52 AM
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(06-16-2016, 08:51 PM)lloydrm Wrote: The subject is discussed here. There was a thread with a clearer proof that they came with the regular (round shouldered) common bar handle. Can't find though, sorry. 
Mine came with the flat shoulder but that handle is hardly ever used. 
 

first off, thank you for all that.  great reads.  Im such a dork on this subject, the deluxe is my favorite razor and I research way more than a normal person should.   I think were actually saying the same thing.   I guess you could call it a common bar, but its not the common, common bar.  lol.   If you look at the common bars in the red and black (not the tuckaway style and regardless of shoulder), youll notice the patern on the knurling is slightly different.  The smooth band at top is bigger on the deluxe.   All Im saying is there is a difference in handles from the deluxe common bar and regular new common bar.   when I get a chance, I will post a pic of what im talking about.

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 06-17-2016, 07:19 AM
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(06-16-2016, 08:51 PM)lloydrm Wrote: OP: Derek won this one to me. TBH when I saw his thread I was, well, envious.

That's an interesting thread and highlights an interesting fact about the Criterion.  

In the picture below left, the New Improved handle protrudes through the base, is flared and is permanently fixed to the handle.  Suppose the handle weld detaches?  You couldn't shave with it, because it would just spin.  I suspect it happened and people removed the old handle and replaced with a 3-piece style cap and handle - like your link.

On the right is the Criterion style attachment.  As pictured, the base spins on the handle.  But notice that the top of the handle is notched.  You can see it better in my 4th picture above.  So, when you line up the notches with the channel, and place the cap on, it can never spin.  

I love Gillette engineering.

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