06-27-2016, 02:40 PM
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I am not that knowledgeable in regards to the Hoffritz razors, but I wanted to know is the Coles the same razor?  They're both German made... What it looks like to me is that Coles bought the rights to market the Hoffritz under the Coles name...  their slant looks identical to the Hoffritz Slant.... I could be mistaken.[Image: sHGujyn.jpg]

HOFFRITZ Slant

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COLES Slant

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 06-27-2016, 02:47 PM
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Store brand.

Chicago.

Merkur made  them.

Coles, Hoffritz, Luna Werk, maybe others. Adams I believe.

Little changes over the years. Mostly superficial.

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 06-27-2016, 02:58 PM
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Sears and a few other dept sores used to sell hunting rifles and shotguns under their name. Same idea, except receiving a Montgomery Ward 30 30 instead of a
Marlin  or Winchester didn't hold the same allure. Only the deer seemed indifferent.

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 06-27-2016, 03:00 PM
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yeah, I should have already figured that out myself just by the design of it.  Then I looked into it more and discovered exactly what you just stated.  Ahh well, I'd rather start a conversation here on TSN about shtuff, rather than google it.  LOL

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 06-27-2016, 03:01 PM
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(06-27-2016, 02:58 PM)kav Wrote: Sears and a few other dept sores used to sell hunting rifles and shotguns under their name. Same idea, except receiving a Montgomery Ward 30 30 instead of a
Marlin  or Winchester didn't hold the same allure. Only the deer seemed indifferent.

LOL!!

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 06-27-2016, 03:28 PM
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I have a Hoffrittz collection. The most variety seems to have been in that brand in the US. 

Luna Werk branded slants come up once in a while in three piece designs. They look like your pics above. Aside from the little four piece travel sets, the Luna Werk was one of the few full size slants out there besides the plastic type ones that you could use any other handle on.

Some of the coolest looking ones are the double slants. I know there are several European brands, but the vintage ones originally sold in the US were usually branded Hoffritz. I have one and it had such a curve in it that usually it snaps the blade when I tighten the handle down. Impressive sight then double slants.

It's a little easier to find a slant head now to go with any handle. As little as two or three years ago your only option was to buy a two piece Merkur or go vintage. Even going vintage though the greater majority are not three piece. I suppose the travel sets are technically four pieces but whatever.

I like the older ones with white wash on the handles. I've had ones in gold, but it's not very durable and usually ends up rubbing or pealing off.

The Progress was labeled Hoffritz too. Mostly I see them in gold. When they begin to wear though the gold peals. It has some sort of plastic type lacquer that is different from what you'd see on an old gold plated Gillette. They are gorgeous unless you try to get them wet. Sad. 

I've even seen some Futur models with Hoffritz on the cap. Usually in shiny chrome though.

Merkur should sell a slant though I think in a three or four piece. All the new guys on the market now though eating their lunch. I'd still like to see them do it anyway.

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 06-27-2016, 04:46 PM
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(06-27-2016, 03:28 PM)bakerbarber Wrote: I have a Hoffrittz collection. The most variety seems to have been in that brand in the US. 

Luna Werk branded slants come up once in a while in three piece designs. They look like your pics above. Aside from the little four piece travel sets, the Luna Werk was one of the few full size slants out there besides the plastic type ones that you could use any other handle on.

Some of the coolest looking ones are the double slants. I know there are several European brands, but the vintage ones originally sold in the US were usually branded Hoffritz. I have one and it had such a curve in it that usually it snaps the blade when I tighten the handle down. Impressive sight then double slants.

It's a little easier to find a slant head now to go with any handle. As little as two or three years ago your only option was to buy a two piece Merkur or go vintage. Even going vintage though the greater majority are not three piece. I suppose the travel sets are technically four pieces but whatever.

I like the older ones with white wash on the handles. I've had ones in gold, but it's not very durable and usually ends up rubbing or pealing off.

The Progress was labeled Hoffritz too. Mostly I see them in gold. When they begin to wear though the gold peals. It has some sort of plastic type lacquer that is different from what you'd see on an old gold plated Gillette. They are gorgeous unless you try to get them wet. Sad. 

I've even seen some Futur models with Hoffritz on the cap. Usually in shiny chrome though.

Merkur should sell a slant though I think in a three or four piece. All the new guys on the market now though eating their lunch. I'd still like to see them do it anyway.
Thank you for that info, Todd.  I'd like to see Merkur do that too

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 06-27-2016, 10:41 PM
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Merkur produced for a number of brands. Their 37-model slant was produced for themselves, for Hoffritz, Coles, Pomco. Their travelslant ditto. All these in chrome silver and gold variants.
The Hoffritz double slant looks a lot like s a Fasan, also a Solingen-brand, except I haven't seen closed comb Fasan-razors yet. The curvature and the red dot on the topcap however are clear giveaways.
Not sure who produced the non-slanted razors of Hoffritz, Coles, Pomco.

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 07-02-2016, 10:54 PM
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They're all the same. Biggrin Lady Pomco is the only one that is different. Also you should buy that Coles.

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 07-03-2016, 04:38 PM
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(07-02-2016, 10:54 PM)michaelkennedy Wrote: They're all the same. Biggrin Lady Pomco is the only one that is different. Also you should buy that Coles.

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NICE, MICHAEL!!

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 12-20-2020, 01:27 PM
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Revived thread Smile

I am curious to know more about that whitewash substance on the handle of these razors - what it is, and how to clean it up. It may be some kind of grip that was applied. Looks ok when white, but  stains and blotches can spoil the appearance.

Does anybody know for sure what it is, and how to clean it?

I have read a lot of guesswork online, but no-one seems to actually know. Perhaps someone here in the Nook actually does?

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 12-21-2020, 01:01 PM
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The white is silver handles with a layer of lacquer to prevent them oxidize black. Stains and blotches is where that happened: lacquer got damaged and silver oxidated.

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 12-21-2020, 01:13 PM
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(12-21-2020, 01:01 PM)efsk Wrote: The white is silver handles with a layer of lacquer to prevent them oxidize black. Stains and blotches is where that happened: lacquer got damaged and silver oxidated.

I wonder why only part of the handle would have this ‘lacquer’ if the rest of the handle oxidises? Where the fingers go would be where the handle wouldn’t show oxidisation, like silver cutlery. 

I have also heard that the white stuff if a silver alloy.

I have seen mint (unused) examples where the substance had blackened, but there is no evidence of damage. 

Any ideas on how to clean it?

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 12-21-2020, 03:44 PM
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I'd wonder about the cleaning also, I've had a couple three of the white handled doppelgangers, some time back there was a forum member peddling mint examples of (can't remember which store brand) and even those had some of the "fungus".  I've only two left in the collection, a Coles & a Hoffritz .. the Coles is better but still some - I've been scared to try anything on it ..

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 12-21-2020, 04:16 PM
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Interesting, Gary, yes. Seems to be a lot of speculation about what this white coating actually is, and what - if any - purpose it serves or is intended to serve. I can't say I have seen any certainty about the material in any research that I have conducted, probably because all the names given to it are guesses. I do not think it is oxidisation, because it is always in the same place on these razors (mid-handle, and turning knob) so I would say it was an intentionally-placed coating, possibly for additional grip (?) What it actually is, I don't think anyone genuinely knows, and won't until we find a product catalogue. I have an old travel Merkur which has this white coating, too. There are many ideas about how to clean it, but no "before and after" images that demonstrate a process that works. Many experts, too, who make claims and speculate, but have no proof.

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 12-21-2020, 04:56 PM
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I'm pretty sure it was put on intentionally, but haven't any clue as to it's composition, or cleaning.  And since these razors are so dear I'm not inclined to take the Dremel to them .. I've wondered if the old baking soda & aluminum foil  trick for silver would work

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 12-21-2020, 05:01 PM
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(12-21-2020, 04:56 PM)garyg Wrote: I'm pretty sure it was put on intentionally, but haven't any clue as to it's composition, or cleaning.  And since these razors are so dear I'm not inclined to take the Dremel to them .. I've wondered if the old baking soda & aluminum foil  trick for silver would work

I have heard it suggested, but I have seen no proof. Perhaps if the 'fungus" as you describe it, was in fact a silver oxide... it might. Either way, it might be worth a try. I can't see that it would do any harm.

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 12-22-2020, 03:12 AM
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So anyway, I chanced upon a reference to silver cleaning, but not using baking soda with aluminium foil and hot to boiling water technique, but using borax and aluminium foil and hot to boiling water. The difference is that the latter -borax- in very hot water, forms a weak bleach solution as well as lifting silver tarnish. I mentioned above I have a Merkur travel razor, with a two-part handle with the white grip stuff on both parts. The wider bottom section was stained and darkish; the upper, thinner section retaining the original clean whiteness. So... nothing ventured...

I took a large cup, lined it with aluminium foil, shiny side up, added a decent-sized teaspoon of borax, and poured boiling water in and stirred lightly to make sure the borax was dissolved. I then added the lower handle half. I left it until the water cooled, maybe ten minutes, giving it the occasional swirl, took it out, gave it a light scrub with a soft toothbrush and washing liquid. Result? See below. Both parts assembled. Up to anyone else to try: I cannot guarantee the same results, but I don’t think I could have obtained a better result. 

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 12-22-2020, 04:49 AM
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Looks great -

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