07-05-2016, 04:10 PM
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(07-05-2016, 03:41 PM)hrfdez Wrote:
(07-05-2016, 02:03 PM)Agravic Wrote:
(07-05-2016, 06:22 AM)Navarrsky Wrote: Stork Razors from Belarus.

Some of these handles are shameless copies of original designs by James of Wolfman Razors.
It's disgraceful, and this fellow 'Stork' will not get my business.
I respect the originality and integrity of true artisans/manufacturers.
Thank you!  I boycotted this company over the same issue.

Oh, I thought you bought some already, Hector?

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 07-05-2016, 04:14 PM
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I got two more Envy White knots.

Put one in an Erskine barber brush handle.

I added a rare earth magnet to the handle and weighted it with some pennies too.

Finished it over the weekend. Haven't glued the knot permanently yet. Still messing with the loft.

Got everything in June though.
A real fun restore I enjoyed working on over the Holiday weekend and I am especially happy with the magnet in the handle.

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 07-05-2016, 04:15 PM
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Bronze custom Wolfman and UFO Kaiser
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 07-05-2016, 04:38 PM
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(07-05-2016, 04:10 PM)Agravic Wrote:
(07-05-2016, 03:41 PM)hrfdez Wrote:
(07-05-2016, 02:03 PM)Agravic Wrote: Some of these handles are shameless copies of original designs by James of Wolfman Razors.
It's disgraceful, and this fellow 'Stork' will not get my business.
I respect the originality and integrity of true artisans/manufacturers.
Thank you!  I boycotted this company over the same issue.

Oh, I thought you bought some already, Hector?
Nope, I was going to until I spoke to James and he shared the issue.  I wasn't aware of the issue until then. The ones that were copied were no longer on sale when I was told about the company.  I was going to purchase the Aristocrat model, but decided not to after been told what the company was doing.  I own enough Wolfman razors to spot a copy if I were to see it, and I would not support such action.

Are you insinuating am a liar?  Just curious.

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 07-05-2016, 04:44 PM
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(07-05-2016, 04:14 PM)bakerbarber Wrote: I got two more Envy White knots.

Put one in an Erskine barber brush handle.

I added a rare earth magnet to the handle and weighted it with some pennies too.

Finished it over the weekend. Haven't glued the knot permanently yet. Still messing with the loft.

Got everything in June though.
A real fun restore I enjoyed working on over the Holiday weekend and I am especially happy with the magnet in the handle.

[Image: ibDgqYN.jpg]

[Image: J7BFhBg.jpg]
Looks very nice.  I enjoy those Envy White knots.

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 07-05-2016, 04:51 PM
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(07-05-2016, 04:38 PM)hrfdez Wrote:
(07-05-2016, 04:10 PM)Agravic Wrote:
(07-05-2016, 03:41 PM)hrfdez Wrote: Thank you!  I boycotted this company over the same issue.

Oh, I thought you bought some already, Hector?
Nope, I was going to until I spoke to James and he shared the issue.  I wasn't aware of the issue until then. The ones that were copied were no longer on sale when I was told about the company.  I was going to purchase the Aristocrat model, but decided not to after been told what the company was doing.  I own enough Wolfman razors to spot a copy if I were to see it, and I would not support such action.

Are you insinuating am a liar?  Just curious.

No, I did not.

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 07-05-2016, 04:53 PM
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(07-05-2016, 04:51 PM)Agravic Wrote:
(07-05-2016, 04:38 PM)hrfdez Wrote:
(07-05-2016, 04:10 PM)Agravic Wrote: Oh, I thought you bought some already, Hector?
Nope, I was going to until I spoke to James and he shared the issue.  I wasn't aware of the issue until then. The ones that were copied were no longer on sale when I was told about the company.  I was going to purchase the Aristocrat model, but decided not to after been told what the company was doing.  I own enough Wolfman razors to spot a copy if I were to see it, and I would not support such action.

Are you insinuating am a liar?  Just curious.

No, I did not.
If you said so, fair enough.  It just seemed odd, but moving on.

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 07-05-2016, 04:57 PM
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Hector you said here that you "ordered a couple..."

http://shavenook.com/showthread.php?tid=...#pid704918

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(07-05-2016, 04:57 PM)Skinny Rogers Wrote: Hector you said here that you "ordered a couple..."

http://shavenook.com/showthread.php?tid=...#pid704918
Yes, and the order was cancelled once I spoke to James.  You can continue with your petty vendetta, I'm sure it makes you feel big.

Better yet, I don't have to explain myself to you or anybody else, fair enough?

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 07-05-2016, 07:07 PM
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Surely people would know what they were ordering, without having to speak with James.
I'm perplexed, that's all.

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 07-05-2016, 07:15 PM
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I should have mentioned (as I did on another shaving forum) that I will be ordering the original once James opens his list again.

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 07-05-2016, 07:31 PM
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Or you could just not buy counterfeit. It's one thing when someone makes a counterfeit of something like AdP, which is sold in every Neiman Marcus in America, it's a drop in the bucket. It's a different story entirely when there's only one Wolfman razors.

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 07-05-2016, 08:08 PM
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I still get upset seeing the BRW knockoffs. Specifically the ones with the flared knob and bull mastiff deluxe knurling.

Then I realize that they're razor handles. The knock offs never are the quality of the real ones. A real collector can tell the difference. 

Still grinds my gears. I remember being so angry when Bob saw his designs being sold as poorly finished imitations. The man was innovating and never shipped or sold anything that wasn't of the highest quality and impeccably finished.

The knockoffs of his handles were sloppy and crudely finished.

The Windrose and Stork homages are at least nicely finished and made of quality materials. I don't think they're so similar by coincidence, but they appear to be a tiny little bit different at least. Not much.

There's only so many shapes possible I guess. 

Not like when Bob at Elite made a lotus and Ken said it was cool. Not like when Barbaros got a Toby's permission either.

Does kind of feel greasy that the copies are out there riding on someone else's labor without acknowledgement.

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 07-05-2016, 08:18 PM
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IMO counterfeit is deception or fraud. 

Money for example is either real or counterfeit - it is worth the amount it claims to be or its worthless. 

If copies of Wolfman handles are purported as being made by James when they are not, then its counterfeit. 

While the handles above represent blatant copies, rather than interpretations, I still believe counterfeit is a rather strong term to choose.

The fact that many soap makers emulate scents that are not their own sits well, because they don't claim to be anything but an interpretation.

I'd prefer to see interpretations of design as opposed to blatant copies. 

In the absence of some originality, the shameless profiteering of other's success can only be interpreted as the driving motivation.

It didn't sit well with me when Rafael's UFO handles were copied (not only in design, but also name).

However, I appreciate that an inability to meet demand creates opportunity for others.

Whether copies are offensive or flattering they are simply that - copies. 

There will be differences (quality of knurling for example) and I know which I would prefer to own.

With the difficulty in sourcing particular items, I'm not surprised or critical of those that choose other options.

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 07-05-2016, 08:34 PM
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(07-05-2016, 08:18 PM)ben74 Wrote: IMO counterfeit is deception or fraud. 

Money for example is either real or counterfeit - it is worth the amount it claims to be or its worthless. 

If copies of Wolfman handles are purported as being made by James when they are not, then its counterfeit. 

While the handles above represent blatant copies, rather than interpretations, I still believe counterfeit is a rather strong term to choose.

The fact that many soap makers emulate scents that are not their own sits well, because they don't claim to be anything but an interpretation.

I'd prefer to see interpretations of design as opposed to blatant copies. 

In the absence of some originality, the shameless profiteering of other's success can only be interpreted as the driving motivation.

It didn't sit well with me when Rafael's UFO handles were copied (not only in design, but also name).

However, I appreciate that an inability to meet demand creates opportunity for others.

Whether copies are offensive or flattering they are simply that - copies. 

There will be differences (quality of knurling for example) and I know which I would prefer to own.

With the difficulty in sourcing particular items, I'm not surprised or critical of those that choose other options.
I have no wish to derail this thread, but a soap maker who goes out of his way to state that his soap is "inspired by" a famous scent is no less a shameless profiteer than someone who copies a razor handle. I have tried some of these soaps and several are exact copies of the famous scent. I am against all forms of copying and find it troubling that soap makers get a pass because they use the all too convenient "inspired by" label....

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 07-05-2016, 08:37 PM
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(07-05-2016, 05:01 PM)hrfdez Wrote:
(07-05-2016, 04:57 PM)Skinny Rogers Wrote: Hector you said here that you "ordered a couple..."

http://shavenook.com/showthread.php?tid=...#pid704918
Yes, and the order was cancelled once I spoke to James.  You can continue with your petty vendetta, I'm sure it makes you feel big.

Better yet, I don't have to explain myself to you or anybody else, fair enough?
Not to worry, Lance, Hector thinks I have a vendetta against him as well.

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 07-05-2016, 08:45 PM
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Stunning example of a Filarmonica 14 Novodur!  Straight shaving goodness right here, huge thank you to DOC226!!

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 07-05-2016, 08:46 PM
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Beautiful Fabian!

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 07-05-2016, 08:55 PM
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(07-05-2016, 08:46 PM)ben74 Wrote: Beautiful Fabian!

Thank you Ben! Shooting straights is more of a challenge than brushes, with all the light reflections off the steel.. need more practice! (or more straights lol)

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 07-05-2016, 09:11 PM
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(07-05-2016, 08:45 PM)refles Wrote: Stunning example of a Filarmonica 14 Novodur!  Straight shaving goodness right here, huge thank you to DOC226!!

Gorgeous Filarmonica. Congratulations!

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