08-12-2016, 05:37 AM
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I just had a random thought - is there an artisan soapmaker who's managed to successfully capture the fragrance of English Fern with the added bonus of a great lather?

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 08-12-2016, 06:17 AM
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  • evnpar
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I haven't found one. I love the scent, but even my vintage English Fern soap doesn't lather all that well. I've been using an unscented or lightly scented soap with English Fern EdT.

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 08-12-2016, 06:19 AM
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The ones that claim to use EF as the model always just end up smelling like baby powder.
No one has captured the essence of EF: GREEEEEEEN

Clover with black pepper, rose/geranium with lavender, patchouli and moss.

Not powder.

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 08-12-2016, 06:29 AM
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  • Steve56
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Nothing is that close, but Czech and Speake Oxford and Cambridge is similar but drier and less 'green', MdC fougere is sweeter and rosier. Scent-wise, the closest fragrance to EF I've run across is the old discontinued Crabtree and Evelyn lavender water. It's like EF with a stronger lavender component. If their soap smelled like that, it would be close.

I also have a puck of EF, sold to me as tallow but it does not lather well and smells mostly of powder, not that close to the edt. It was a refill in it's original shrink wrap when I purchased it, so if it is not the tallow version the seller likely wouldn't have known either.

Cheers, Steve

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 08-12-2016, 06:30 AM
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Barrister and Mann said that he is working on the Houbigant Fougere. I saw a video interview he did with Mantic where he said it was in the works. Who knows how long that may be. He did caution that when recreating vintage and discontinued fragrances that the old examples can smell much different than the faithful recreation due to the age of the sample. I am wondering now if what we smell today in a lot of vintage products is the same smell the guy who used it when it was contemporarily available smelled.

I am interested in the Houbigant if he does produce one.

I have never had Pennhaligan's EF sadly. By the time I wanted to check it out it had been reformulated. No way I am paying eBay prices for it either...

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 08-12-2016, 06:39 AM
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Houbigant fougere is considerably sweeter than EF at least in the fragrance lines. Both are nice, but I wouldn't consider Houbigant an equivalent to EF or visa versa. Houbigant is freshly mown sweet hay or grass in the late spring, EF has a dry lavender component like C&S O&C but not as prominent.

Cheers, Steve

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 08-12-2016, 06:59 AM
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Closest I've found so far is LPL Fougere. 
Really a terrific soap and the closest scent wise to EF.

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 08-12-2016, 07:40 AM
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Ginger's Garden is about as close as you can get.  I have both her soap and aftershave and they are very very close, and wonderful products too!

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 08-12-2016, 12:51 PM
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(08-12-2016, 06:17 AM)evnpar Wrote: I haven't found one. I love the scent, but even my vintage English Fern soap doesn't lather all that well. I've been using an unscented or lightly scented soap with English Fern EdT.

This is what I would recommend as well.  Pick up a nice bowl of Yardley's or AOS unscented and give it several sprays of EF and put the lid on overnight.

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 08-12-2016, 10:38 PM
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Isn't LA Shaving Soap Co's Topanga Fougere basically a clone of EF? When I had EF, TF smelled very similar.

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 08-12-2016, 10:55 PM
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DR Harris Sandalwood is very close....

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 08-13-2016, 05:57 AM
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(08-12-2016, 10:55 PM)nervosa1901 Wrote: DR Harris Sandalwood is very close....


I mostly agree, there is lots of overlap, but the DRH is missing the important green-ness.

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 08-15-2016, 06:23 PM
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Solution:

Ask Will at B&M or Larry at CRSW to make an unscented soap or buy MWF/Haslinger Scharfmilch

Buy the Penhaligon EF Eau de Toilette

Add 5-10 sprays of EF EDT to the shaving soap puck.

Build the lather on the puck.

Add further sprays of EF as needed.

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 08-16-2016, 08:17 AM
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(08-12-2016, 10:38 PM)Starkicker Wrote: Isn't LA Shaving Soap Co's Topanga Fougere basically a clone of EF? When I had EF, TF smelled very similar.

to me they don't smell much alike.  I like them both, though.  TF is a much more complex and rustic scent.  EF is smoother and more refined.  

I think the Country Club for Men vegan soap called Fern is pretty close.  Really green scent.

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 08-16-2016, 09:25 AM
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+1 solution by Claus

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 08-16-2016, 01:50 PM
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I have mixed it in with MdC unscented, and while it works, it is an inefficient use of a wonderful juice. 

Spray 1-2 on your chest before shaving and enjoy all the fragrance in a warm and humid environment.

There is something special about fragrance in soap that I cannot describe and none of the above solutions (including mine) are quite the same, not even the EF puck I have.

Cheers, Steve

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 08-17-2016, 12:28 AM
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(08-16-2016, 01:50 PM)Steve56 Wrote: I have mixed it in with MdC unscented, and while it works, it is an inefficient use of a wonderful juice. 

Spray 1-2 on your chest before shaving and enjoy all the fragrance in a warm and humid environment.

There is something special about fragrance in soap that I cannot describe and none of the above solutions (including mine) are quite the same, not even the EF puck I have.

Cheers, Steve


Clones of fragrance are rarely exact copies or even close copies, so pretty much forget it, unless you can get the original in the old old formula or they make it in the new better formula.

Sometimes artisan can make a very well made clone, but 9/10 it will just be a decent copy, not a real clone.

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 08-17-2016, 02:54 PM
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I agree Claus. I would love to have a 95% EF clone/copy, a 95% MdC fougere EDT, ...

Cheers, Steve

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