08-27-2016, 06:00 AM
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  • Deuce
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Gents,

In the past 2 months I've bought both a Chubby 2 and Duke 3 in Best, and boy are they exceptional. Today I broke out my Rudy Vey flat top with the Shavemac D01 2 band knot because it was lonely - nothing is in the rotation now. So when I chose the Chubby 2, the Epsilon 2 band 27 mm x 50 mm knot was in the wheelhouse. After studying up here, the Thater 4125/1 in bulb may also give "The Wall of Badger" feel. The Simpson's are phenomenal, and I could get another, or ... keep searching. I'd very much appreciate your views on these brushes.

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 08-27-2016, 06:03 AM
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send me your "rejects"

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 08-27-2016, 06:37 AM
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I wouldn't describe a thater 4125/1 as a wall of badger but that would be my personal choice over the epsilon. And actually I would bump up to the 4125/2

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 08-27-2016, 06:38 AM
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  • chazt
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I was on a quest for Wall of Badger and have some experience with Epsilon, Simpson's and Thater. My two densest and most luxurious brushes are a CH3 Best and a CH2 Super. These, especially the CH3 are indeed like the proverbial wall of badger. If we arbitrarily assign a density of 10/10 to the Chubby brushes, Epsilons are 9/10. At most the Thater's (4125/3 2 band bulb) density imo is no more than 7/10. Based on my experience I don't believe you'll find "wall of badger" with a 4125/1. Buy the Epsilon first and then pick up a Chubby if you're still searching. If you must have a Thater brush before the others, try something larger than the 1 size.

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 08-27-2016, 07:00 AM
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(08-27-2016, 06:38 AM)chazt Wrote: .......... If you must have a Thater brush before the others, try something larger than the 1 size.


AGREE. The 4125/1 is a tad skimpy on the whole "wall of badger" concept. A nice travel brush but the more substantial knots from Thater is the right direction.

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 08-27-2016, 07:42 AM
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Buy a Thater, that is 1 number bigger that you think. also for me Thater gives me a joy no other brush gives.

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 08-27-2016, 09:19 AM
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The Epsilon is more dense than the Thater.  The Thater, however, is exceptionally soft.   If you do get a Thater, I suggest at least a size 2.

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 08-27-2016, 09:54 AM
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(08-27-2016, 06:37 AM)Safelysimpson Wrote: I wouldn't describe a thater 4125/1 as a wall of badger but that would be my personal choice over the epsilon. And actually I would bump up to the 4125/2
The 4125/5 with a fan knot was where I ended up. Wall of Badger for sure...

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 08-27-2016, 09:57 AM
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Thater you have the option of fan or bulb. Not so with the epsilon. I have both thater 2band fan, bulb and epsilon 3band. Epsilon is far more dense then thater

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 08-27-2016, 10:32 AM
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Thanks all. As I face lather exclusively that Chubby 2 dramatically changed my approach on brushes.

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 08-27-2016, 10:34 AM
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(08-27-2016, 06:03 AM)jackgoldman123 Wrote: send me your "rejects"

Ha! Love that Jack. Funny thing was after I posted this my thoughts turned to looking at setting some brushes up for BST. Including the first nice one I bought from QED a 20 mm Savile Row.still haven't decided yet, but leaning to selling some.

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 08-27-2016, 01:51 PM
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(08-27-2016, 06:00 AM)Deuce Wrote: Gents,

In the past 2 months I've bought both a Chubby 2 and Duke 3 in Best, and boy are they exceptional. Today I broke out my Rudy Vey flat top with the Shavemac D01 2 band knot because it was lonely - nothing is in the rotation now. So when I chose the Chubby 2, the Epsilon 2 band 27 mm x 50 mm knot was in the wheelhouse. After studying up here, the Thater 4125/1 in bulb may also give "The Wall of Badger" feel. The Simpson's are phenomenal, and I could get another, or ... keep searching. I'd very much appreciate your views on these brushes.

Thäter are not badgers for people looking for a wall of badger to be honest. Their quality is about something else.
It's all about softness, gentleness and simple elegant knots and handles.

If you want a more massive badger feel from a Thäter, you need to look at either a 28 or a 30 mm bulb 2 band IMHO - which is in my collection and both are among my all time favourite badger brushes.

But if you really want a wall of badger, look to get a Simpson Chubby 3 in Super 3-band or Best or even Manchurian will do it.

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 08-27-2016, 04:56 PM
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(08-27-2016, 01:51 PM)CHSeifert Wrote:
(08-27-2016, 06:00 AM)Deuce Wrote: Gents,

In the past 2 months I've bought both a Chubby 2 and Duke 3 in Best, and boy are they exceptional. Today I broke out my Rudy Vey flat top with the Shavemac D01 2 band knot because it was lonely - nothing is in the rotation now. So when I chose the Chubby 2, the Epsilon 2 band 27 mm x 50 mm knot was in the wheelhouse. After studying up here, the Thater 4125/1 in bulb may also give "The Wall of Badger" feel. The Simpson's are phenomenal, and I could get another, or ... keep searching. I'd very much appreciate your views on these brushes.

Thäter are not badgers for people looking for a wall of badger to be honest. Their quality is about something else.
It's all about softness, gentleness and simple elegant knots and handles.

I think this says it well.  The Epsilon 2-band is quite scrubby and some may characterize that scrub as scritch.  The softness of the Thater 2-bands is exceptional.  And the quality of Thater handles is far superior to that of the Epsilon.  However, the only brushes with that wall of badger feeling are the Chubby 2 and 3.

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 08-27-2016, 05:10 PM
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The issue is whether or not you like ample backbone or prefer flop mops.  Thater will be the flop mop, although very soft and high quality, they have little backbone.  Epsilon has some of the best 2-band brushes with excellent backbone...I mean excellent backbone, with exceptionally soft tips.  For me, it would not be a tough decision, Epsilon 2-band every time.

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 08-27-2016, 05:32 PM
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(08-27-2016, 04:56 PM)TheLegalRazor Wrote:
(08-27-2016, 01:51 PM)CHSeifert Wrote:
(08-27-2016, 06:00 AM)Deuce Wrote: Gents,

In the past 2 months I've bought both a Chubby 2 and Duke 3 in Best, and boy are they exceptional. Today I broke out my Rudy Vey flat top with the Shavemac D01 2 band knot because it was lonely - nothing is in the rotation now. So when I chose the Chubby 2, the Epsilon 2 band 27 mm x 50 mm knot was in the wheelhouse. After studying up here, the Thater 4125/1 in bulb may also give "The Wall of Badger" feel. The Simpson's are phenomenal, and I could get another, or ... keep searching. I'd very much appreciate your views on these brushes.

Thäter are not badgers for people looking for a wall of badger to be honest. Their quality is about something else.
It's all about softness, gentleness and simple elegant knots and handles.

I think this says it well.  The Epsilon 2-band is quite scrubby and some may characterize that scrub as scritch.  The softness of the Thater 2-bands is exceptional.  And the quality of Thater handles is far superior to that of the Epsilon. However, the only brushes with that wall of badger feeling are the Chubby 2 and 3.

Yes, on both counts.

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 08-27-2016, 05:45 PM
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(08-27-2016, 05:10 PM)Teddyboy Wrote: The issue is whether or not you like ample backbone or prefer flop mops.  Thater will be the flop mop, although very soft and high quality, they have little backbone.  Epsilon has some of the best 2-band brushes with excellent backbone...I mean excellent backbone, with exceptionally soft tips.  For me, it would not be a tough decision, Epsilon 2-band every time.

I disagree with this in bold.

Some Thäters are floppy mops, I can agree to that. I burned my fingers already. Sold all my 7-8 42 series Thäter, as they are floppy and less dense.

But 4125 series is a different animal. Better density and more backbone. Not backbone like an Epsilon, but luxurious soft backbone, especially the larger knots 28 mm and 30 mm have in fact ample amounts of backbone. Not comparable to a Chubby 3 at all, but still plenty of backbone.

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 08-27-2016, 06:52 PM
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(08-27-2016, 04:56 PM)TheLegalRazor Wrote:
(08-27-2016, 01:51 PM)CHSeifert Wrote:
(08-27-2016, 06:00 AM)Deuce Wrote: Gents,

In the past 2 months I've bought both a Chubby 2 and Duke 3 in Best, and boy are they exceptional. Today I broke out my Rudy Vey flat top with the Shavemac D01 2 band knot because it was lonely - nothing is in the rotation now. So when I chose the Chubby 2, the Epsilon 2 band 27 mm x 50 mm knot was in the wheelhouse. After studying up here, the Thater 4125/1 in bulb may also give "The Wall of Badger" feel. The Simpson's are phenomenal, and I could get another, or ... keep searching. I'd very much appreciate your views on these brushes.

Thäter are not badgers for people looking for a wall of badger to be honest. Their quality is about something else.
It's all about softness, gentleness and simple elegant knots and handles.

I think this says it well.  The Epsilon 2-band is quite scrubby and some may characterize that scrub as scritch.  The softness of the Thater 2-bands is exceptional.  And the quality of Thater handles is far superior to that of the Epsilon.  However, the only brushes with that wall of badger feeling are the Chubby 2 and 3.

This is not accurate.

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 08-27-2016, 07:20 PM
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Defining "wall of badger" is clearly subjective and vague.

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 08-27-2016, 07:36 PM
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Does wall of badger refer more to a dense fan knot or bulb?

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 08-27-2016, 08:38 PM
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As mentioned a wall of badger is highly subjective.

Personally for me a wall of badger means:

1. The knot has to be huge - 28 mm and larger knot size
2. The knot has to feel quite dense on the face
3. The knot has to have a certain amount of backbone

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