09-21-2016, 10:48 AM
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Looking over my dragon's hoard of kit this morning  I realised so many have names with no provenance. I know 4711 is from the address, and Cologne itself  gave it's name to the strength of scent. Mitchell's Wool Fat is straightforward  and a sought after Darwin named after that author of evolution. But Lily asked me What Boellis Panama 1924 stood for? I know Boellis is the name, but  what happened in Panama in 1924? Is there a connection with Bois du Portugal by Creed; a love triangle between italian and french soapmakers vieing for some portuguese engenu? And as for Vieing, why long? Was there a short effort at breeding Andalucian horses, a kick in the head and this is revenge?
I know there must be endless and fascinating anecdotes behind these venerable names. If anyone can share, please do so.
I'm off to check out a new product; Admiral Farquarsen's  1872 Old Tyme restorative Nile  bath water ( established 2016 in Flint Michigan by the governor's brother).

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 09-21-2016, 10:53 AM
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Interesting thread.

I'd like to know what I Coloniali stands for, for example.

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 09-21-2016, 12:33 PM
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I am the "The Blind Men and the Elephant"

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 09-21-2016, 12:38 PM
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And then the names might have been chosen just because they sounded like something interesting to get people wondering "What could this mean?" when there is no meaning at all. It could merely be an avenue into the mind.

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 09-22-2016, 08:23 AM
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WRT "I Coloniali"

First, thanks Nick for turning me onto this now vanishing soap.

"I Coloniali" literally is "The Colonial" in Italian. I have no link into the minds of the soap's creators, but it isn't difficult to imagine that they were trying to evoke a time when wet shaving was the norm, and Italy had colonies in the tropics where mangoes were grown.

Here in the radical liberal hotbed of Socialism that (so they tell me) is New York City, referencing 19th century (or worse, 1940s) colonialism would be a career-killing marketing idea. But a) Europeans have a much more realistic attitude toward history, and b) we still have popular products in the States called 'Aunt Jemima' and 'Uncle Ben,' so go figure.

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 09-22-2016, 09:32 AM
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(09-22-2016, 08:23 AM)Tokyospike Wrote: WRT "I Coloniali"

First, thanks Nick for turning me onto this now vanishing soap.

"I Coloniali" literally is "The Colonial" in Italian. I have no link into the minds of the soap's creators, but it isn't difficult to imagine that they were trying to evoke a time when wet shaving was the norm, and Italy had colonies in the tropics where mangoes were grown.

Here in the radical liberal hotbed of Socialism that (so they tell me) is New York City, referencing 19th century (or worse, 1940s) colonialism would be a career-killing marketing idea. But a) Europeans have a much more realistic attitude toward history, and b) we still have popular products in the States called 'Aunt Jemima' and 'Uncle Ben,' so go figure.

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Great post, Spike! Thanks for that!
I am really glad that you're enjoying the soap, I had no doubt.

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 09-22-2016, 08:07 PM
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Barrister & Mann ?
I know Will went to law school but other than that ?

Mystic Water ?
A great movie had that name, I believe but other than that ?

Xpec ?
Expect great things ?

Caties bubbles ?
I know the artisans daughter is called Catie but what about the bubbles ?

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 09-22-2016, 08:43 PM
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Spike, is Amy Goodman ( the last true american journalist) at Pacifica Radio intimidating NYC THAT MUCH? What's in a name anyway? I hate the term liberal, progressive isn't and the local Revolutionary  Communist Worker's Party of America ( with a name that long no wonder their numbers are so few and anemic looking) and anarchists can't pin me down. I'm told I 'scare them' and when pressed for affiliation reference Nick Nolt in FAREWELL To THE KING explaining how he came to be the local headman. I love all of these half mysterious names. It's the East India Company  opening up crates of exotic wood with teas and sea shell scoops still replicated in sterling silver  services.

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 09-23-2016, 06:06 AM
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(09-22-2016, 08:07 PM)CHSeifert Wrote: Mystic Water ?
A great movie had that name, I believe but other than that ?

Claus, I believe the movie title was Mystic River. Wink

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 09-23-2016, 08:22 AM
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Hey Kav, no one is intimidating New York, and I now regret that I revealed my own distress. I once walked into a meeting of the SDS at San Francisco State and tried to explain the good that market capitalism had done/could do. In those days, I was slightly right of center (and of all my friends). My views have barely changed but they are now considered almost too liberal to be accorded the courtesy of rational debate. Even in the bluest of blue state of NY. 'In Defense of Anarchy' is one of the best books I ever read that absolutely no one has ever heard of. Still think my educated guess about 'I Coloniali' is essentially correct.

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 09-23-2016, 08:42 AM
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I hold the signal honor and distinction of being removed from my own party meeting after challenging a comment by Doctor Stein's campaign manager. I still like the late author Edward Abbey's closing comment after his talks "If I failed to insult anybody I apologise". Our language is ever changing and rich. Knowing the history of it is fascinating and should be academically free from PC  buffoonery.

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 09-23-2016, 09:11 AM
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I await WTF to supercede the name MWF...

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 09-23-2016, 05:19 PM
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(09-23-2016, 06:06 AM)celestino Wrote:
(09-22-2016, 08:07 PM)CHSeifert Wrote: Mystic Water ?
A great movie had that name, I believe but other than that ?

Claus, I believe the movie title was Mystic River. Wink


You're correct

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 09-24-2016, 03:46 AM
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(09-23-2016, 08:42 AM)kav Wrote: Our language is ever changing and rich. Knowing the history of it is fascinating and should be academically free from PC  buffoonery.

Or any kind of buffoonery. The SDS room was 20 sheep and a wolf. The wolf had me out the door on pain of violence in about 60 seconds . . .

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 09-26-2016, 01:24 PM
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Reef Point. I seem to recall that the creator was in the Navy if my memory serves me right.

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 09-26-2016, 03:32 PM
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(09-22-2016, 08:07 PM)CHSeifert Wrote: Barrister & Mann ?
I know Will went to law school but other than that ?

Caties bubbles ?
I know the artisans daughter is called Catie but what about the bubbles ?

I recall from a Reddit AMA that B&M's name was inspired by Will attending law school and that the product line was initially intended for men (though now it's considered unisex).

I recall Chris saying that his son was going through a lot (I believe he was sick). A lot of attention was focused on the son, so he wanted to do something special for his daughter while they were going through all of that with the son. So he named it after her. I'm sure "bubbles" is simply because it's soap. Forgot the source - either Charky or Mantic's interview with him




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