09-23-2016, 06:44 PM
My query on milled soaps was very educational. Now honestly; how many of us weren't quite sure of the answer? So, Instead of discretely using this deux ex machina of resources I again pose another question on a subject. When I started out Badgers came in these scritchy all black affairs with no clear industry wide name. Then I learned about Silvertips being the high grade brush of knowing shavers. Then two band entered and in my ignorance thought it refered to two turnings on the handle as some physical indicator for the illiterate in Empire Britannia. Then I had that intellectual breakthrough like the hominid playing with a femur in 2001.Oh, it's the black and silver pelage of the hair. Thus Sprach Zarathustra. Now I'm struggling with three band and the local badger has lost all friendly disposition to my close observations even with gifts of free range chicken eggs. Please educate us all.
Open the internet HAL....................HAL, open the internet. I'm sorry Kav, my parental controls state you've been uploading hi definition photos of shaving brushes on their sides. Hal, open up the #$*@# internet. Looks around for a large femur.
Open the internet HAL....................HAL, open the internet. I'm sorry Kav, my parental controls state you've been uploading hi definition photos of shaving brushes on their sides. Hal, open up the #$*@# internet. Looks around for a large femur.
09-23-2016, 07:09 PM
2 band and 3 band can be the same sometimes and have differences. The problem is when you look at a brush, it can be deceiving to see the colors of bands that are showing and then know 100% what the brush is. A 3 band silver tip knot in a bulb shape can look sometimes like a 2 band brush.
If you compare a single hair that is 2 band, visually, that middle color band of hair should be more distinctively dark and/or wide. The full length of a badger hair will have 3 colors or 3 tiers of color. Example, white tips, black middle band, and below will have a transition in color which isn't as dark. The width of the hair is likely to be thicker.
The 3 band hairs have lighter colors and in my experience, they are usually not whiter. They tend to be tipped with colors ranging from tan, peach, yellow, off white. The middle band may be a shade of brown, but usually in my experience, it will have variation in the color. Never really a solid brown color as much as a 2 band has a darker middle or bottom band. The bottom band is usually a bit less bright or light than the top. SO you may find the top band is off white, middle band is brownish, and bottom third band is tannish. The individual thickness of the hair is thinner and the tip should be softer side by side with an untreated 2 band hair.
If you compare a single hair that is 2 band, visually, that middle color band of hair should be more distinctively dark and/or wide. The full length of a badger hair will have 3 colors or 3 tiers of color. Example, white tips, black middle band, and below will have a transition in color which isn't as dark. The width of the hair is likely to be thicker.
The 3 band hairs have lighter colors and in my experience, they are usually not whiter. They tend to be tipped with colors ranging from tan, peach, yellow, off white. The middle band may be a shade of brown, but usually in my experience, it will have variation in the color. Never really a solid brown color as much as a 2 band has a darker middle or bottom band. The bottom band is usually a bit less bright or light than the top. SO you may find the top band is off white, middle band is brownish, and bottom third band is tannish. The individual thickness of the hair is thinner and the tip should be softer side by side with an untreated 2 band hair.
09-23-2016, 07:26 PM
Context is a good thing here as well. Almost all "silvertip" brushes have three bands, but that doesn't automatically make them a 'three band' brush.
A brush sold as a three band brush is usually similar to a two band brush, having thicker hairs, the wide middle band, and is usually denser, or at the least, well stuffed. It could be argued that a three band is just a two band with longer hair, and not set as deeply.
It's been a while since I looked specifically for three band badger, so it's possible no one makes a true "three band knot" anymore.
It's important to remember that there is no regulation of the grades, and most manufacturers call knots what they want. Gary Young (of Simpson's) always insisted that there were only three different hair grades, and Two-Band knots were just Finest hair that had been through a process called 'capping,' in which a ring of darker hairs was tied around the knot to give it the distinctive Two-Band appearance.
A brush sold as a three band brush is usually similar to a two band brush, having thicker hairs, the wide middle band, and is usually denser, or at the least, well stuffed. It could be argued that a three band is just a two band with longer hair, and not set as deeply.
It's been a while since I looked specifically for three band badger, so it's possible no one makes a true "three band knot" anymore.
It's important to remember that there is no regulation of the grades, and most manufacturers call knots what they want. Gary Young (of Simpson's) always insisted that there were only three different hair grades, and Two-Band knots were just Finest hair that had been through a process called 'capping,' in which a ring of darker hairs was tied around the knot to give it the distinctive Two-Band appearance.
09-24-2016, 04:04 AM
Before different side of the cloak, main different is about species of the animal.
European Badger give 3-band, with thinner hair and more flexible
Asian Badger give 2-band, with stronger hair and more backbone
It depends the different habitat, so different hair to protect the animal body.
Each brand, selecting hair, can do different loft with same raw material.
And, being organic material, different batches are different in performances. The more or the less.
Info:
http://shavenook.com/showthread.php?tid=5535&pid=88960#pid88960
http://www.shaving101.com/index.php/educ...ushes.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_badger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hog_badger
WetShavingProducts.com - Budger Brush Hair Grades
European Badger give 3-band, with thinner hair and more flexible
Asian Badger give 2-band, with stronger hair and more backbone
It depends the different habitat, so different hair to protect the animal body.
Each brand, selecting hair, can do different loft with same raw material.
And, being organic material, different batches are different in performances. The more or the less.
Info:
http://shavenook.com/showthread.php?tid=5535&pid=88960#pid88960
http://www.shaving101.com/index.php/educ...ushes.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_badger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hog_badger
WetShavingProducts.com - Budger Brush Hair Grades
09-24-2016, 04:32 AM
To my knowledge, all badger hair has three bands naturally. The variables are the width of each band and the thickness of the individual hairs. The hair used to produce two band hair is thicker and has a wider dark middle band and thus at the lofts we all seem to enjoy our brushes to be set at only two of the three bands is visible. The higher the loft the more of that third band becomes visible with two band hair. Traditional three band hair has a comparably thin dark middle band.
Three band:
![[Image: JJJzW0K.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/JJJzW0K.jpg)
Two Band:
![[Image: zEwnl8E.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/zEwnl8E.jpg)
Two band masquerading as three band:
![[Image: q4wxcA6.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/q4wxcA6.jpg)
Three band:
![[Image: JJJzW0K.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/JJJzW0K.jpg)
Two Band:
![[Image: zEwnl8E.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/zEwnl8E.jpg)
Two band masquerading as three band:
![[Image: q4wxcA6.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/q4wxcA6.jpg)
![[Image: FwkTapP.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/FwkTapP.jpg)
09-24-2016, 05:45 AM
Here is the short explanation:
All badger brush hairs have 3 bands.
The 2 band just have the longer thicker blacker mid band, which means the lower 3.rd band actually is hidden inside the knot, where the knot is attached to the handle with the glue.
You can actually often see the lower third band in some 2-band brushes.
2-band hair is thicker than 3-band hair, because it comes from badgers, that live higher up in the mountans, and thus needs the thicker hair to protect them from the colder weather.
All badger brush hairs have 3 bands.
The 2 band just have the longer thicker blacker mid band, which means the lower 3.rd band actually is hidden inside the knot, where the knot is attached to the handle with the glue.
You can actually often see the lower third band in some 2-band brushes.
2-band hair is thicker than 3-band hair, because it comes from badgers, that live higher up in the mountans, and thus needs the thicker hair to protect them from the colder weather.
09-24-2016, 08:47 AM
(09-23-2016, 06:44 PM)kav Wrote: Open the internet HAL....................HAL, open the internet. I'm sorry Kav, my parental controls state you've been uploading hi definition photos of shaving brushes on their sides. Hal, open up the #$*@# internet. Looks around for a large femur.
Okay, you got me with this one, kav.

09-24-2016, 04:54 PM
great stuff. Rocky and Bullwinkle was like Mel Brooks with a political message thrown in. Mr. Peabody and Sherman wasn't it? much more layered than the Hanna Barbera stuff. Just watched Mel Brooks original The Producers with my wife. she had not seen it. hilarious. need more of that these days.
09-24-2016, 05:51 PM
(09-24-2016, 04:54 PM)daveinsweethome Wrote: great stuff. Rocky and Bullwinkle was like Mel Brooks with a political message thrown in. Mr. Peabody and Sherman wasn't it? much more layered than the Hanna Barbera stuff. Just watched Mel Brooks original The Producers with my wife. she had not seen it. hilarious. need more of that these days.
Yup. Sherman . Wasn't Boris Badinov and his wife Natasha part of this too? Or was that a different series?
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09-25-2016, 11:33 AM
(09-24-2016, 06:45 PM)kav Wrote: Natasha Fatal's marital relationship with Boris was never established. Yes, tghey wer rocky and bullwinkles antagonists. Dudley Doright and Fractured Fairytales were also part of the series.
Wow. Good memory. Now you've got me humming the little FF theme.
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09-25-2016, 04:11 PM
(09-24-2016, 05:51 PM)Joucas Wrote:(09-24-2016, 04:54 PM)daveinsweethome Wrote: Yup. Sherman . Wasn't Boris Badinov and his wife Natasha part of this too? Or was that a different series?
Ah yes, one of the best lines in all cartoondom: "Kill moose and squirrel."
Less known was the second line: "If you see badger, kill him too. I need new brush."
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