12-31-2016, 11:19 PM
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(12-26-2016, 04:44 AM)primotenore Wrote: I haven't really weighed in on this, but when something is sold, it's sold. It now belongs to the new owner and last time I checked, this is still a free country, and the new owner can do whatever he/she wishes to do with said object. Let's get real here.

Yes, absolutely.

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 01-01-2017, 08:16 AM
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one of my first ever bst was with nsmalls and i knew just with a couple pms that i was being honored to be able to buy this brush.  To just try for blantant profit at members expense is so wrong.  the feedback on members deals say it all about the quality of our people here.

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 02-27-2017, 12:23 AM
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Reading about the moral outrage you all express about a troll who would take advantage really makes me glad that I joined this group.
I have rarely sold things I owned, rather give them to someone who could enjoy them as I once did.

This kind of greed is a bane on not only a hobby group, but is a major failing of our world in general.

I am glad to be associated with you gentlemen.

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 02-27-2017, 04:08 AM
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(02-27-2017, 12:23 AM)grayhane Wrote: Reading about the moral outrage you all express about a troll who would take advantage really makes me glad that I joined this group.
I have rarely sold things I owned, rather give them to someone who could enjoy them as I once did.

This kind of greed is a bane on not only a hobby group, but is a major failing of our world in general.

I am glad to be associated with you gentlemen.

Welcome to TSN.  This in indeed a great and special community and we're glad you joined.  Please go to the Introductions section and introduce yourself, so the members can give you a proper welcome.

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 02-27-2017, 08:30 AM
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Lately, I'm of the opinion that we, the traditional wet shavers, created this phenomenon. We can diminish it with acts like this one, but it won't be eliminated. With all the craziness over some items like Wolfmans, Paladins or other hard to get items that dominates on shaving forums, the fact that they are being sold in less than 10 minutes, I might say more time that the actual, and the fact that you receive dozens of offers when you post a thread for these, even the craziest you can imagine, we create the demand and the hype. People seem unhappy with what they have and they want to get these desirable items. Some are willing to pay premium prices for them. It's their money.
From time to time, even recently, I've seen items going for sale on Ebay from members that participate here because they know that they can't sell them here at the prices they have on their minds. I believe this is not something that's unknown. Anyone can pay or ask for what they want, it's a free economy and not a communist.
It will be partially eliminated when we stop getting crazy over shaving items, but that won't happen anytime soon.

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 02-27-2017, 08:53 AM
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It's a question of what came first, egg or the chicken. Demand is more or the supply is less.

I am aware that these artisans have limitations in terms of capital involved, trade secrets held close to chest and hence limited resources to produce goods. But then people start hoarding on to multiple units of already limited end product and thus creating scarcity for others.

Few months back, I had written something about the same issue on one of the artisans thread and it was taken rather seriously by the artisan. More than customers he himself was defending multiple buys, repeat customers etc etc.

But you are right Nikos, we as end users are responsible for this hyped up demand and need to exhibit self restraint.



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 02-27-2017, 09:13 AM
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(02-27-2017, 08:30 AM)nikos.a Wrote: Lately, I'm of the opinion that we, the traditional wet shavers, created this phenomenon. We can diminish it with acts like this one, but it won't be eliminated. With all the craziness over some items like Wolfmans, Paladins or other hard to get items that dominates on shaving forums, the fact that they are being sold in less than 10 minutes, I might say more time that the actual, and the fact that you receive dozens of offers when you post a thread for these, even the craziest you can imagine, we create the demand and the hype. People seem unhappy with what they have and they want to get these desirable items. Some are willing to pay premium prices for them. It's their money.
From time to time, even recently, I've seen items going for sale on Ebay from members that participate here because they know that they can't sell them here at the prices they have on their minds. I believe this is not something that's unknown. Anyone can pay or ask for what they want, it's a free economy and not a communist.
It will be partially eliminated when we stop getting crazy over shaving items, but that won't happen anytime soon.
This is so true.  There are many such stories out there that involve different hobbies.  One example is in the Bourbon arena.  At one time not too long ago you could go into any store and pick up a Pappy Van Winkle 15 year old for $55-$70, or a 20 year old for $105.  Try doing that now.  Already snapped up by some "collector" who will sell these bottles for HUNDREDS of dollars for the 15 year old and over a THOUSAND for 20 year old......AND people readily throw down the cash to buy them.  Amazing!

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 04-25-2018, 08:14 AM
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Hello gents,
I wanted to warn everyone of another scoundrel of the worst kind. Not one that buys and flips on other sites but a scammer from the Ukraine. Andriy Petrenkov (Gladiator). I was informed 2 other members including myself were scammed by this piece of trash. A first purchase was made on the BST and went well so there was a trust formed. Second turned out to be an expensive scam. Member will not respond to any messages after many attempts to contact. It’s been 3 weeks now and no package has been delivered and no communication.

Mods please let me know if i’m out of line in posting this. I’ve reported the member and left negative feedback.

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 04-25-2018, 09:23 AM
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(04-25-2018, 08:14 AM)cdude62 Wrote: Hello gents,
I wanted to warn everyone of another scoundrel of the worst kind. Not one that buys and flips on other sites but a scammer from the Ukraine. Andriy Petrenkov (Gladiator). I was informed 2 other members including myself were scammed by this piece of trash. A first purchase was made on the BST and went well so there was a trust formed. Second turned out to be an expensive scam. Member will not respond to any messages after many attempts to contact. It’s been 3 weeks now and no package has been delivered and no communication.

Mods please let me know if i’m out of line in posting this. I’ve reported the member and left negative feedback.
I hope the Mods don't delete this post. Thanks for the heads-up Costas. I am sorry that you and others have been scammed. 
Warning to all: ALWAYS USE PAYPAL AND NEVER SEND FUNDS FRIENDS & FAMILY UNLESS YOU ARE CERTAIN WITH WHOM YOU ARE DEALING.
Sorry for yelling.

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 04-25-2018, 09:28 AM
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(04-25-2018, 09:23 AM)primotenore Wrote:
(04-25-2018, 08:14 AM)cdude62 Wrote: Hello gents,
I wanted to warn everyone of another scoundrel of the worst kind. Not one that buys and flips on other sites but a scammer from the Ukraine. Andriy Petrenkov (Gladiator). I was informed 2 other members including myself were scammed by this piece of trash. A first purchase was made on the BST and went well so there was a trust formed. Second turned out to be an expensive scam. Member will not respond to any messages after many attempts to contact. It’s been 3 weeks now and no package has been delivered and no communication.

Mods please let me know if i’m out of line in posting this. I’ve reported the member and left negative feedback.
I hope the Mods don't delete this post. Thanks for the heads-up Costas. I am sorry that you and others have been scammed. 
Warning to all: ALWAYS USE PAYPAL AND NEVER SEND FUNDS FRIENDS & FAMILY UNLESS YOU ARE CERTAIN WITH WHOM YOU ARE DEALING.
Sorry for yelling.
Yup, Live and learn!

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 04-25-2018, 12:09 PM
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Thank you mods for getting rid of this theif!
Good riddance

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 04-25-2018, 12:58 PM
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(04-25-2018, 09:23 AM)primotenore Wrote:
(04-25-2018, 08:14 AM)cdude62 Wrote: Hello gents,
I wanted to warn everyone of another scoundrel of the worst kind. Not one that buys and flips on other sites but a scammer from the Ukraine. Andriy Petrenkov (Gladiator). I was informed 2 other members including myself were scammed by this piece of trash. A first purchase was made on the BST and went well so there was a trust formed. Second turned out to be an expensive scam. Member will not respond to any messages after many attempts to contact. It’s been 3 weeks now and no package has been delivered and no communication.

Mods please let me know if i’m out of line in posting this. I’ve reported the member and left negative feedback.
I hope the Mods don't delete this post. Thanks for the heads-up Costas. I am sorry that you and others have been scammed. 
Warning to all: ALWAYS USE PAYPAL AND NEVER SEND FUNDS FRIENDS & FAMILY UNLESS YOU ARE CERTAIN WITH WHOM YOU ARE DEALING.
Sorry for yelling.
I am one of those three guys. As far I know no one of us used PayPal F&F option. Personally me used regular bank transfer and I wrote there, what I paid for. I know here and on another forum members who paid for expensive items through G&S and got empty parcel. They complained to PayPal and nothing happened. Just want to say, if someone want to cheat, he will do it. One drop of coal oil can spoil 1000000 drops of water. Although I paid for this experience hundreds of dollars, I believe most members here are great gentlemen and I am looking forward to have a great cooperation with them/ you. Life is going on.

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 04-26-2018, 03:50 AM
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It's actually shameful of these thugs to earn living by cheating on such forums. I am not sure what they be teaching their kids.

We all must check the background of the seller on the forum like vintage, number of posts etc and be little more cautious.

Sad indeed..


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 04-26-2018, 04:59 AM
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PayPal Goods & Services is the only payment method providing protection to the buyer if the seller does not deliver the item.  Any other payment method is a risk.

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 04-26-2018, 05:01 AM
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(04-26-2018, 04:59 AM)TheLegalRazor Wrote: PayPal Goods & Services is the only payment method providing protection to the buyer if the seller does not deliver the item.  Any other payment method is a risk.


So who pays for the loss incase the seller disappears. PayPal recovers it from the seller or do they(PayPal) themselves pay.


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 04-26-2018, 05:21 AM
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(04-26-2018, 05:01 AM)Jags009 Wrote:
(04-26-2018, 04:59 AM)TheLegalRazor Wrote: PayPal Goods & Services is the only payment method providing protection to the buyer if the seller does not deliver the item.  Any other payment method is a risk.


So who pays for the loss incase the seller disappears. PayPal recovers it from the seller or do they(PayPal) themselves pay.


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PayPal can reach even to bank account not only PayPal account and if there are not money, PayPal is insured for those issues. But if you receive brick instead of bottle of old whisky what you paid for, you are not covered even though you used PayPal G&S. Seller will accuse you are cheating, you changed it and its over. Ricardo?

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 04-26-2018, 05:56 AM
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(04-26-2018, 04:59 AM)TheLegalRazor Wrote: PayPal Goods & Services is the only payment method providing protection to the buyer if the seller does not deliver the item.  Any other payment method is a risk.

At least for U.S. transactions, a payment by credit card also protects the buyer.  Your credit card company is obligated to refund your purchase price if the item is not delivered by the seller.

(04-26-2018, 05:21 AM)Petronius Wrote: PayPal can reach even to bank account not only PayPal account and if there are not money, PayPal is insured for those issues. But if you receive brick instead of bottle of old whisky what you paid for, you are not covered even though you used PayPal G&S.  Seller will accuse you are cheating, you changed it and its over. Ricardo?

Is this how PayPal works?  If you pay by G&S, the seller says he sent the correct item, and you say the seller did not, what does PayPal do?  Does PayPal throw up its hands and refuse to get involved in "he said, he said" or does PayPal refund the buyer?

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 04-26-2018, 07:35 AM
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(04-26-2018, 05:56 AM)BrickHud Wrote:
(04-26-2018, 04:59 AM)TheLegalRazor Wrote: PayPal Goods & Services is the only payment method providing protection to the buyer if the seller does not deliver the item.  Any other payment method is a risk.

At least for U.S. transactions, a payment by credit card also protects the buyer.  Your credit card company is obligated to refund your purchase price if the item is not delivered by the seller.


(04-26-2018, 05:21 AM)Petronius Wrote: PayPal can reach even to bank account not only PayPal account and if there are not money, PayPal is insured for those issues. But if you receive brick instead of bottle of old whisky what you paid for, you are not covered even though you used PayPal G&S.  Seller will accuse you are cheating, you changed it and its over. Ricardo?

Is this how PayPal works?  If you pay by G&S, the seller says he sent the correct item, and you say the seller did not, what does PayPal do?  Does PayPal throw up its hands and refuse to get involved in "he said, he said" or does PayPal refund the buyer?

It depends...there has to be some seller protection too.

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 04-26-2018, 07:46 AM
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(04-26-2018, 05:56 AM)BrickHud Wrote:
(04-26-2018, 04:59 AM)TheLegalRazor Wrote: PayPal Goods & Services is the only payment method providing protection to the buyer if the seller does not deliver the item.  Any other payment method is a risk.

At least for U.S. transactions, a payment by credit card also protects the buyer.  Your credit card company is obligated to refund your purchase price if the item is not delivered by the seller.


(04-26-2018, 05:21 AM)Petronius Wrote: PayPal can reach even to bank account not only PayPal account and if there are not money, PayPal is insured for those issues. But if you receive brick instead of bottle of old whisky what you paid for, you are not covered even though you used PayPal G&S.  Seller will accuse you are cheating, you changed it and its over. Ricardo?

Is this how PayPal works?  If you pay by G&S, the seller says he sent the correct item, and you say the seller did not, what does PayPal do?  Does PayPal throw up its hands and refuse to get involved in "he said, he said" or does PayPal refund the buyer?

Not just for U.S. transaction, my credit card gives me this protection worldwide. As valued customer of my bank, have this service for free, but anyone can buy it. It works something like insurance of internet risks.

To your second point is my answer: Yes. Of course, this kind of "seller" can do it once or twice, but you know, one person can have more accounts, screen names, email addresses etc.

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 04-26-2018, 08:46 AM
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On a BST purchase from a forum member, using a credit card directly is not an option.  The seller is not a vendor set up to take credit cards directly, so using the credit card through PayPal is the only option.

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