11-29-2016, 01:46 PM
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This experiment is for those who have both a 2011 and a 2013 model of the Mühle R41.  

The curvature of the base plates are different between the two models.

If you put a 2011 topcap on a 2013 baseplate, you double the blade gap, and make it even more aggressive than the stock 2011.  

If you put a 2013 topcap on a 2011 baseplate, you create a vice that so completely immobilizes the blade, that it eliminates the gap entirely.  

I have not yet tried this second combination, but I will soon.  I suspect it will make for a rough and unshaveworthy razor, however.

The first combination was very satisfactory, and gave me an uber clean (slow and careful) one pass shave of three days stubble.

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 11-30-2016, 05:51 AM
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I have the R41 2013 and have been shaving with it consistently over the past several weeks. It's a fine and close shave but not as smooth as my EJ89 or Parker 26c. I suspect with my wire like beard, the increased gap on the R41 catches more so than the EJ or Parker. What would be the effect if I replaced the R41 cap with the EJ or Parker cap. I have not tried it, but curious if someone with more razor construction experience can describe.


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 11-30-2016, 02:26 PM
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(11-30-2016, 05:51 AM)olpski Wrote: I have the R41 2013 and have been shaving with it consistently over the past several weeks.  It's a fine and close shave but not as smooth as my EJ89 or Parker 26c.  I suspect with my wire like beard, the increased gap on the R41 catches more so than the EJ or Parker.  What would be the effect if I replaced the R41 cap with the EJ or Parker cap.  I have not tried it, but curious if someone with more razor construction experience can describe.


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If you used the EJ89 topcap on your 2013 Mühle R41, you would increase the blade exposure and eliminate the blade gap.
It would change the way the razor shaves.  I would suggest that you try it.  You might like it, or you might not, but then you'd know.

The blade exposure is the amount of blade showing from underneath the topcap.  
The blade gap is the distance (if any) between the blade and the baseplate.

Enjoy your shave.

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 11-30-2016, 02:33 PM
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Today I shaved with combination #2 (2013 topcap on 2011 baseplate).  
To my surprise it was a remarkably good shave.
It reminded me of a Blackbird, but with much less audible feedback.
Very clean, very smooth; with no blood or irritation. 

I don't know why I was expecting a bad shave from that combination.
But I got a good shave instead, and I'm pleased about it.

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 11-30-2016, 04:02 PM
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I mixed baseplates of 2011 and 2013 and now not sure which one is what.
I in fact almost decided they are identical !

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 11-30-2016, 04:09 PM
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Please proceed with your findings. I'm quite interested myself for an aggressive razor.

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 11-30-2016, 04:33 PM
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(11-30-2016, 04:02 PM)johnsap Wrote: I mixed baseplates of 2011 and 2013 and now not sure which one is what.
I in fact almost decided they are identical !
The 2011 is very slightly smaller than the 2013.  
I can see the difference.  If you can't, then use a caliper.

If you have them properly assembled, you should be able to pass a thin piece of paper 
(like a cash register receipt) between the topcap and the baseplate of both models.

If you can only do it with one, but not with the other, then you have the parts mixed up.  
In which case, switch them and try it again.  You'll get it right.

Sorry if my experiment caused you any confusion.  Enjoy your shave.

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 12-01-2016, 03:13 AM
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I know this thread was around the Muhle R41 2011/2013 top plate but since I mentioned the EJ 89 top plate exchange with the Muhle, I thought I would give an update.

I went ahead and put the EJ 89 top plate on my Muhle R41 2013. I was surprised when I began shaving this morning how much easier the blade glided across my face, but there was still considerable hair removal and audible feedback. However, the 2nd pass just felt uncomfortable and I ended with a number of sizeable weepers and irritation.

It may have been the blade being it's fourth use or even my technique. I will add that the R41 2013 with its original top plate has given me zero irritation and only the occasional weeper despite that it's a bit rough.

So after this one experiment I decided to return the top plates to their original bases.

One more thing. If anyone likes aggressiveness, check out the blade gap when you place the R41 '13 top plate on the EJ89. Holy, that is some deadly looking blade gap! I would not dare shave with it.


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 12-02-2016, 01:26 AM
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"One more thing. If anyone likes aggressiveness, check out the blade gap when you place the R41 '13 top plate on the EJ89. Holy, that is some deadly looking blade gap! I would not dare shave with it."

Don't do it.  You'll cut your face up.  

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 12-02-2016, 04:22 AM
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+1 sounds deadly IMO

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