11-30-2016, 08:46 AM
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  • nikos.a
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I have a Razorock Plissoft Monster among other synthetics. I bought it about 10 months ago I think but I haven't used it many times. I noticed this and I wonder if it's normal.

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I've used my Omega synthetics dozens of times and both are in great condition. They're very soft but they have a different synthetic hair. So, It's the first time I see something like that.

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 11-30-2016, 08:58 AM
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  • eengler
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I have Plissons and have never seen the whole remain after rinsing. Do you feel its permanent Nick?

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 11-30-2016, 09:05 AM
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(11-30-2016, 08:58 AM)eengler Wrote: I have Plissons and have never seen the whole remain after rinsing. Do you feel its permanent Nick?
Unfortunately, yes, Ed. The last time I used it was two days ago. Also, this brush is practically new, I haven't used it more than 7-8 times.

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 11-30-2016, 09:14 AM
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I haven't seen it with my Plisson brushes or brushes that use a Plisson-like knot.

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 11-30-2016, 09:48 AM
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I sold a shave evolution brush on the bst that had a divot like that. It was stranger because I bought it new and used I very very little. It was that same thing and it was permanent. The great mysteries of the universe.

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 11-30-2016, 09:49 AM
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I had a Plisson synthetic, and currently have two brushes with Plisson type knots which get a lot of use.  I have not seen that before.  Even if it does not affect performance, I don't like the way it looks and would not want it in my brush.

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 11-30-2016, 09:57 AM
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I have been using a Jack Black for over 10 months now and I don't see any such issue with my brush.

I wash it once in 15 days. Post using it after my shaves I run a comb thru the hair to keep it in shape.


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 11-30-2016, 10:25 AM
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  • TheMonk
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In my experience, it can happen with Plisson-type hair, as is the case. Gently but thoroughly comb the knot, and if it is what I think it is, that should take care of the problem.

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 11-30-2016, 11:47 AM
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  • nikos.a
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I didn't know that. I'll give it a try. Thanks a lot for the advice!

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 11-30-2016, 12:17 PM
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(11-30-2016, 10:25 AM)TheMonk Wrote: In my experience, it can happen with Plisson-type hair, as is the case. Gently but thoroughly comb the knot, and if it is what I think it is, that should take care of the problem.


Do you believe the fibers are glued together for whatever reason? Dried soap maybe? Maybe glue from the knot?

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 11-30-2016, 12:29 PM
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I noticed that with one of mine when Inused really hot water.

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 11-30-2016, 12:31 PM
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(11-30-2016, 12:17 PM)snowman Wrote:
(11-30-2016, 10:25 AM)TheMonk Wrote: In my experience, it can happen with Plisson-type hair, as is the case. Gently but thoroughly comb the knot, and if it is what I think it is, that should take care of the problem.


Do you believe the fibers are glued together for whatever reason? Dried soap maybe? Maybe glue from the knot?

No, I don't think it's anything like that. Glue from the knot would have to be exposed to extreme heat to brake apart, and even then it would be in solid pieces, not liquid.

What I have experienced with some synthetic knots is that, when cleaning the bristles with a vigorous circular motion, they may get tangled and create a type of knot close to the base of the actual knot. This tends to be more common with horse hair, but the Plisson type synthetic hair is also a bit prone to this, in my experience.

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 11-30-2016, 12:35 PM
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I have two plissoft brushes from RazoRock (a 26mm & a 24mm) and both will do that from time to time. Not sure the cause or the actual cure, but it has never been a permanent "scar".

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 11-30-2016, 12:37 PM
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(11-30-2016, 12:31 PM)TheMonk Wrote:
(11-30-2016, 12:17 PM)snowman Wrote:
(11-30-2016, 10:25 AM)TheMonk Wrote: In my experience, it can happen with Plisson-type hair, as is the case. Gently but thoroughly comb the knot, and if it is what I think it is, that should take care of the problem.


Do you believe the fibers are glued together for whatever reason? Dried soap maybe? Maybe glue from the knot?

No, I don't think it's anything like that. Glue from the knot would have to be exposed to extreme heat to brake apart, and even then it would be in solid pieces, not liquid.

What I have experienced with some synthetic knots is that, when cleaning the bristles with a vigorous circular motion, they may get tangled and create a type of knot close to the base of the actual knot. This tends to be more common with horse hair, but the Plisson type synthetic hair is also a bit prone to this, in my experience.


Gotcha. Makes a lot of sense, thanks for clarifying.
Hopefully it's just that and an easy fix. I have a Plisson synthetic that I used quite a lot when I first received it but now only gets used when I travel so it doesn't see much use (about 30 times a year) but I never had this issue with it.
Luckily these brushes aren't very pricey. Not sure how much is this brush but the Plisson is about $30.

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 11-30-2016, 01:03 PM
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(11-30-2016, 12:37 PM)snowman Wrote:
(11-30-2016, 12:31 PM)TheMonk Wrote:
(11-30-2016, 12:17 PM)snowman Wrote: Do you believe the fibers are glued together for whatever reason? Dried soap maybe? Maybe glue from the knot?

No, I don't think it's anything like that. Glue from the knot would have to be exposed to extreme heat to brake apart, and even then it would be in solid pieces, not liquid.

What I have experienced with some synthetic knots is that, when cleaning the bristles with a vigorous circular motion, they may get tangled and create a type of knot close to the base of the actual knot. This tends to be more common with horse hair, but the Plisson type synthetic hair is also a bit prone to this, in my experience.


Gotcha. Makes a lot of sense, thanks for clarifying.
Hopefully it's just that and an easy fix. I have a Plisson synthetic that I used quite a lot when I first received it but now only gets used when I travel so it doesn't see much use (about 30 times a year) but I never had this issue with it.
Luckily these brushes aren't very pricey. Not sure how much is this brush but the Plisson is about $30.

You're welcome. Smile
Funnily enough, I haven't seen it happen a lot with the actual Plisson brush, but with other brushes that use the same type of bristles - probably due to the higher knot density.

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 11-30-2016, 01:04 PM
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Mine tend to have that as well.  I think it's common if you lather using circular motions as opposed to paint brush strokes.  I've heard a quick wash with liquid dish soap followed by a combing usually fixes it up, but I've never bothered, as it doesn't affect performance.

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 11-30-2016, 01:09 PM
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I too hope this does not affect performance. Looks, I hope, just like what dentists call an "artifact"

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 11-30-2016, 01:38 PM
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I too have that same "hole" on my normal RR synthetic brush. I contacted IB and he said because it is his loss leader, he will not replace it or offer me a discount or free shipping on a new one. He also could offer no explanation. Oh and I bought mine new.


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 11-30-2016, 02:17 PM
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My RR synthetic did the exact same thing.

If you are a fan of Chris Bailey's videos, he says that "swirling" the brush on your face (vs back and forth or painting strokes) can give any brush a "bald spot".

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 11-30-2016, 02:20 PM
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(11-30-2016, 01:38 PM)neil4real Wrote: I too have that same "hole" on my normal RR synthetic brush. I contacted IB and he said because it is his loss leader, he will not replace it or offer me a discount or free shipping on a new one. He also could offer no explanation. Oh and I bought mine new.


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"Loss leader?"

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