12-08-2016, 07:19 AM
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I ordered a custom brush from systematic. There were changes made to the order as I was not aware of his custom capabilities so I made 2 changes. On of the changes was that it stated I was getting a fan 2band silvertip with a 24mm and 50 mm loft. I wanted 22 mm. Bernd made all the changes but forgot to change it to 24mm despite the fact he asked me to check the order before he proceeded. Within 2 or 3 hours of his email I responded that the brush size and price was wrong as the 22 is a tad less money. I did not get a response and sent another email that day asking if he got my email

Today I get an invoice and a tracking notice from Shavemac and it still says 24 mm. I chose a custom rubberset handle so maybe it only comes in 24 mm?

The point of this post is not to complain. It more to ask how much of a difference in real life will a 24 vs 22 mm make? This is my 2nd brush purchase and I am originally the guy who said I didn't want to pay more than 60 bucks (ha ha)

Imdont want to be a pain in the ass to Bernd either as he was good enough to make changes for me and get this turned around so fast.

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 12-08-2016, 07:57 AM
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What do you mean by difference. If you're asking if you can feel and see the difference in size then yes. If you are asking if you will care about difference that is only a question you can answer. If you're asking if a 22 will make sufficient lather the answer is absolutely. Personally I prefer a 22 but that's me.

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 12-08-2016, 08:09 AM
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(12-08-2016, 07:57 AM)chromedometone Wrote: What do you mean by difference. If you're asking if you can feel and see the difference in size then yes. If you are asking if you will care about difference that is only a question you can answer. If you're asking if a 22 will make sufficient lather the answer is absolutely. Personally I prefer a 22 but that's me.

Would you care? I don't want to make an issue of something that may not matter in the long run. Honest mistake made on his part and I try to be good to vendors when they try their best. Plus he accommodated other last minute changes.

My brush is a Parker 24 mm. And it's a little big, but these seem to be "first world" problems?

What would you do? Bernd apologized and is willing to give me the 24 mm at the 22 mm price

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 12-08-2016, 08:15 AM
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I do enjoy my 22mm, but I REALLY enjoy my 24mm. But YMMV it's personal preference, not real right or wrong answer. Chromedometone is absolutely right about getting plenty of lather with either brush.

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 12-08-2016, 08:17 AM
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(12-08-2016, 08:09 AM)Diamond Dog Wrote:
(12-08-2016, 07:57 AM)chromedometone Wrote: What do you mean by difference.   If you're asking if you can feel and see the difference in size then yes.  If you are asking if you will care about difference that is only a question you can answer.   If you're asking if a 22 will make sufficient lather the answer is absolutely.  Personally I prefer a 22 but that's me.

Would you care?   I don't want to make an issue of something that may not matter in the long run.  Honest mistake made on his part and I try to be good to vendors when they try their best.  Plus he accommodated other last minute changes.  

My brush is a Parker 24 mm. And it's a little big, but these seem to be "first world" problems?

What would you do?   Bernd apologized and is willing to give me the 24 mm at the 22 mm price

Handle or knot seems too big?

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 12-08-2016, 08:22 AM
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My current 24 mm seems a tad to big, but only because I know there are options to get smaller. If there were no options, I probably would not know better and it would be fine

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 12-08-2016, 08:28 AM
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  • Johnny
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If he is going to sell you the 24mm at the 22mm price, take the deal and run with it.  I have brushes from 18mm to 28mm and 24mm is my sweet spot.  Enjoy the brush.

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 12-08-2016, 08:33 AM
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  • Gabe
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24mm to me is the smallest knot size I prefer. Some 24mm are too small and other 24mm are ok with me.  I prefer 26-28mm. 

There is more to size than the knot size. 

Fan usually feels bigger than Bulb shaped knots. 

Also a taller loft feels bigger than a shorter loft. 

There is nothing you can do until the brush arrives. Take a look at it and see what you think. I would also contact Bernd so he can confirm what he sent you, or if that handle only comes in that size. Although I wouldn't think so, usually going bigger is the problem with a handle.


I am pretty sure you will love the new brush. I haven't read a single negative post about Shavemac 2 bands. They are splendid knots.

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 12-08-2016, 08:38 AM
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I told him to send the 24mm. I will post pictures when I get it.


Thanks for the input

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 12-08-2016, 09:28 AM
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(12-08-2016, 08:38 AM)Diamond Dog Wrote: I told him to send the 24mm.    I will post pictures when I get it.  


Thanks for the input

Yeah if he is willing to give you the 24 at 22 price take it.  You can always trade or sell if you don't like it.  I know Im in the minority preferring smaller knots, and Im also in the minority in that I prefer a well broken in boar brush to even the most luxurious, expensive badger.  I have large, nice badgers, but I still use my boars pretty much daily.

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 12-08-2016, 09:31 AM
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24 vs. 22 mm; will it matter?

No, imo it likely won't matter. You may well detect a difference, however you'll probably like the brush regardless of the knot size. Enjoy!

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 12-08-2016, 10:49 AM
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I started with a 25mm Omega  and thought that was enormous. When I got a new brush it was a 22mm Semogue 1305 and I was like wtf... where is all my lather?  But having used the Semogue for awhile now, it has enough lather for a 3 pass shave with a touch up. I was wasting soap with the Omega.

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 12-08-2016, 10:55 AM
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The only thing that would concern me is from my research, shavemac knots tend to be 1-2mm larger than the purchased size. So this brush will most likely be in the 25-26mm range.

With that being said, I really enjoy that size and face feel really comes down to loft height and bulb vs fan

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 12-08-2016, 12:14 PM
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24mm is the smallest brush I would consider, and only if it's a fan.  In bulbs I prefer 26 -28mm.  It sounds like Bernd is giving you a fair deal. My guess is you'll  be happy with the 24mm.

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 12-08-2016, 12:17 PM
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(12-08-2016, 12:14 PM)TheLegalRazor Wrote: 24mm is the smallest brush I would consider, and only if it's a fan.  In bulbs I prefer 26 -28mm.  It sounds like Bernd is giving you a fair deal. My guess is you'll  be happy with the 24mm.

It seems like he's paying the additional price for the 24mm, judging by his first post. I agree though, I prefer the medium-large brushes

Edit: didn't see he was getting the 22mm price

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 12-08-2016, 02:58 PM
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(12-08-2016, 08:38 AM)Diamond Dog Wrote: I told him to send the 24mm.    I will post pictures when I get it.  


Thanks for the input

You won't be disappointed.  I happen to think 24 mm is the ideal size for a fan knot.  It will be big enough to hold 3 passes worth of lather if you are a face latherer.

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 12-08-2016, 05:34 PM
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It won't matter because you should have ordered a 26mm  Biggrin

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 12-08-2016, 06:28 PM
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Good resolution since he is offering a lower price. Just use it first and if it's too big then just BST it and get the 22 mm one.

If it's your second brush you probably won't notice the difference for now. 22-24 is my sweetspot for brush and anything bigger is just too big but I don't mind variety.

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 12-08-2016, 06:42 PM
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The difference between 22mm and 24mm is rather substantial. The area of a 24mm brush is approximately 20% larger than the area of a 22mm brush.

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 12-08-2016, 06:58 PM
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My badger brush minimum is 24 mm now and it has to be in fan shape, and my maximum is 30 mm and it has to be in bulb shape - this is what I have found, I prefer after 5-6 years in the badger brush business, go figure  Badger

To me there is a rather big difference between a 22 mm and 24 mm in same hair type and knot shape.

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