01-28-2017, 05:16 AM
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I'm a little surprised no one has made a 100% organic soap yet, at least not to my knowledge. But I'd be the first buyer if it was made (assuming no lousy, unnecessary lanolin).

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 01-28-2017, 07:14 AM
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Because potassium hydroxide and sodium hydroxide which are the building blocks of any soap are inorganic compounds.

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 01-28-2017, 07:25 AM
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May be the question is about a soap manufactured in a fully environmentally sustainable way?

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 01-28-2017, 07:28 AM
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(01-28-2017, 07:14 AM)ColdRiverSoap Wrote: Because potassium hydroxide and sodium hydroxide which are the building blocks of any soap are inorganic compounds.

I'm talking about the oils.
As in, the difference between organic vs conventional foods.

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 01-28-2017, 07:29 AM
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(01-28-2017, 07:25 AM)ARGH Wrote: May be the question is about a soap manufactured in a fully environmentally sustainable way?

...which can't be done without fully organic ingredients. So yeah I guess so.

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 01-28-2017, 07:50 AM
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Tallow & Steel is the closest I have seen.  He uses Organic whenever possible.  Wonderful soap in my opinion.

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 01-28-2017, 08:12 AM
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(01-28-2017, 07:50 AM)Asafiev Wrote: Tallow & Steel is the closest I have seen.  He uses Organic whenever possible.  Wonderful soap in my opinion.

Unfortunately all the American ones use lanolin.

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 01-28-2017, 08:25 AM
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(01-28-2017, 07:25 AM)ARGH Wrote: May be the question is about a soap manufactured in a fully environmentally sustainable way?

(01-28-2017, 07:28 AM)Nero Wrote:
(01-28-2017, 07:14 AM)ColdRiverSoap Wrote: Because potassium hydroxide and sodium hydroxide which are the building blocks of any soap are inorganic compounds.

I'm talking about the oils.
As in, the difference between organic vs conventional foods.

(01-28-2017, 07:29 AM)Nero Wrote:
(01-28-2017, 07:25 AM)ARGH Wrote: May be the question is about a soap manufactured in a fully environmentally sustainable way?

...which can't be done without fully organic ingredients. So yeah I guess so.


So, you both have changed the original question.

FWIW, we use organic tallow, oils and butters. Our tallow for example comes from free range, grass fed, hormone free beef cattle who's meat is labeled as 'organic'.  We simply don't advertise that fact as it becomes marketing mumbo jumbo. We simply go quietly and confidently about our business secure in the knowledge that we do everything in our power to minimize our environmental impact. 

As far as sustainable, that becomes a matter of interpretation. Even so called 'Sustainable Palm Oil' and other palm products such as palm kernel oil have been deemed to be creating as much harm to the very environment they are trying to protect. 

If anyone knows where sustainably produced stearic acid can be purchased in the quantities we require, I'm all ears!

I would say if this is a concern to anyone, you would be better off growing a beard and washing your hair and body with water only.

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 01-28-2017, 08:27 AM
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Larry, don't get offended because you tried to twist my question.

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 01-28-2017, 08:28 AM
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Everyone can just answer the question in the original post and not worry that "lye isn't organic".
Thanks.

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 01-28-2017, 08:35 AM
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(01-28-2017, 08:27 AM)Nero Wrote: Larry, don't get offended because you tried to twist my question.

Not offended at all. I answered your original question and then took the time to lend my personal insight to your amended from the original question.

If you are referring to my "grow a beard" comment, please realize I typed it with a lighthearted smile on my face. I apologize for not adding the appropriate emoji.

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 01-28-2017, 08:43 AM
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 01-28-2017, 08:46 AM
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(01-28-2017, 08:27 AM)Nero Wrote: Larry, don't get offended because you tried to twist my question.

I read your original question.  I believe it was answered appropriately.  I will go so far as to say it was offered more than an adaquate response.  Feel free to PM me if you like but your passive aggressive tone is detracting from your original thread you started. ( Insert millennial esque emoji )

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 01-28-2017, 09:22 AM
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Larry's point is spot on.

I mean, how many well groomed, all natural, organic, "free the nipple" hippie freaks do you come across??

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 01-28-2017, 09:24 AM
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(01-28-2017, 08:46 AM)Nevada Red Wrote:
(01-28-2017, 08:27 AM)Nero Wrote: Larry, don't get offended because you tried to twist my question.

I read your original question.  I believe it was answered appropriately.  I will go so far as to say it was offered more than an adaquate response.  Feel free to Pm me if you like but your passive aggressive tone is detracting from the your original thread you started. ( Insert millennial esque emoji )

That's wonderful. Thank you.


I'm waiting for the next of the fanboy army. Two out, anyone else?

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 01-28-2017, 09:36 AM
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(01-28-2017, 09:24 AM)Nero Wrote:
(01-28-2017, 08:46 AM)Nevada Red Wrote:
(01-28-2017, 08:27 AM)Nero Wrote: Larry, don't get offended because you tried to twist my question.

I read your original question.  I believe it was answered appropriately.  I will go so far as to say it was offered more than an adaquate response.  Feel free to Pm me if you like but your passive aggressive tone is detracting from the your original thread you started. ( Insert millennial esque emoji )

That's wonderful. Thank you.


I'm waiting for the next of the fanboy army. Two out, anyone else?

Fanboy army cadet #3 checking in...

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 01-28-2017, 09:41 AM
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(01-28-2017, 09:24 AM)Nero Wrote:
(01-28-2017, 08:46 AM)Nevada Red Wrote:
(01-28-2017, 08:27 AM)Nero Wrote: Larry, don't get offended because you tried to twist my question.

I read your original question.  I believe it was answered appropriately.  I will go so far as to say it was offered more than an adaquate response.  Feel free to Pm me if you like but your passive aggressive tone is detracting from the your original thread you started. ( Insert millennial esque emoji )

That's wonderful. Thank you.


I'm waiting for the next of the fanboy army. Two out, anyone else?
Matt, I am curious how you arrived at the fan boy correlation..  I did not express any opinion for Cold River Soap Works in my response to you.  I stated that your question was answered with an intelligent reply.  I would not care if it was Will from BM or Michelle from Mystic Waters, your question was answered........

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 01-28-2017, 10:08 AM
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Larry, I had no idea that Cold River uses organic tallow, etc.  That's good to know!

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 01-28-2017, 10:09 AM
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I view 100% organic (not possible in this case) akin to how product manufacturers abuse the term gluten-free. Meant to lure in customers, less about the original intent.

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 01-28-2017, 10:18 AM
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I assume a simple misunderstanding, Nero is asking about organic certified products, rather than those that only contain organic compounds. Back on topic.


The UK & EU rules make allowance for the fact that non-organic compounds are needed for the soap base. Taylor make one & Mühle offer a tube cream.

I imagine the demand isn't there yet & in the UK you can label cosmetics as Organic without certifying them. Also small producers that are the most likely to use organic ingredients are also the least able to pay for certifying them.

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