02-04-2017, 05:03 AM
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From what I've read it seems to be just the oxide finish .

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 02-04-2017, 05:13 AM
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(02-03-2017, 10:08 PM)NickMach007 Wrote: Question, is the drag on the BB just on the black oxide finish? Or the other fishes as well?

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Just the oxide, the polished is smooth as butter.


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 02-04-2017, 07:30 AM
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One thing I have to mention that I haven't seen anybody address . It seems like there are several threads comparing the Timeless against some of the big dogs out there in terms of loved razors . One thing this tells me is that Timeless is quickly becoming a beloved and very well regarded piece in the shaving community . I've shaved with a Wolfman , BB , Weber , Ikon pretty much you name it and I honestly have to say it is right there with all of them and in most cases in my opinion out performs many of them . By no means am I saying the others aren't great , hell I own the others with the exception of the Wolfman . Even though I love the Timeless it will never be the only razor I own . For one thing I love to collect and the other I love having the diversity in my den . Each razor in my eyes offers something different . I know this really wasn't relevant to this thread but just wanted to throw it out there .

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 02-04-2017, 07:39 AM
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We seem to be experiencing a renaissance in razor manufacture. Like comparing: cars, guitars, watches, knives, stereo equipment, bicycles, golf clubs, bowling balls, tennis racquets, sneakers, shoes, cufflinks, yachts, restaurants, fishing rods, turkey calls, etc...; no losers here, just preferences.

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 02-04-2017, 07:52 AM
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(02-04-2017, 07:39 AM)jackgoldman123 Wrote: We seem to be experiencing a renaissance in razor manufacture. Like comparing: cars, guitars, watches, knives, stereo equipment, bicycles, golf clubs, bowling balls, tennis racquets, sneakers, shoes, cufflinks, yachts, restaurants, fishing rods, turkey calls, etc...; no losers here, just preferences.

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 02-04-2017, 07:57 AM
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(02-03-2017, 10:08 PM)NickMach007 Wrote: Question, is the drag on the BB just on the black oxide finish? Or the other fishes as well?

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It's on the machined finish as well but when you get the angle right and no pressure it's not an issue, doesn't affect the shave at all.

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 02-04-2017, 09:22 AM
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(02-04-2017, 07:57 AM)iShave Wrote:
(02-03-2017, 10:08 PM)NickMach007 Wrote: Question, is the drag on the BB just on the black oxide finish? Or the other fishes as well?

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It's on the machined finish as well but when you get the angle right and no pressure it's not an issue, doesn't affect the shave at all.
Thanks for the responses on this. That is good to know. Looks like polished is the best option for the BB.

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 02-04-2017, 12:08 PM
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(02-04-2017, 07:39 AM)jackgoldman123 Wrote: We seem to be experiencing a renaissance in razor manufacture. Like comparing: cars, guitars, watches, knives, stereo equipment, bicycles, golf clubs, bowling balls, tennis racquets, sneakers, shoes, cufflinks, yachts, restaurants, fishing rods, turkey calls, etc...; no losers here, just preferences.

BINGO! I'd say you nailed it, Jack.

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 09-29-2017, 05:34 AM
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I have the Timeless in both smooth bar and OC, both gaps. I can't seem to get a good shave; 0.68 is too mild, 0.95 leaves me irritated. I have a BB polished SB on the way. Hopefully is suits me better.

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 11-03-2017, 09:23 AM
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(09-29-2017, 05:34 AM)Spud Wrote: I have the Timeless in both smooth bar and OC, both gaps. I can't seem to get a good shave; 0.68 is too mild, 0.95 leaves me irritated. I have a BB polished SB on the way. Hopefully is suits me better.

Well, how do you like the polished BB?  I was the first recipient of the polished version and it has been my #1 razor since ... no matter what other razor i try i can't seem to get as great a shave as i do with my BB

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 11-03-2017, 10:23 AM
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Was trying to help out a guy on the board owning both.  He hated the Timeless claiming too unwieldy.  Tried hard to help him with lathering and other side issues he was having - he just disappeared.  Anyway, purchased a Blackbird and claimed to love it from shave one.  Who know how it turned out longterm.  

Anyway, tried Blackbird and it was good; certainly not enough to entice buying one for my needs.  Tried a lot of razors settling on a LABBS and Timeless OC.  In my opinion, never had a better DE shave than Timeless and it is only DE can mimic straight in my hands.  LOVE my BBS and it is great, surely made to the epitome of perfection.  That is my experience for what it is worth

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 11-03-2017, 05:03 PM
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I have all 3 versions of the Timeless .95 ( sold .68 too mild) and both OC and original Kickstarter SB Blackland in Black oxide. I think the OC BB is slightly more aggressive than the Timeless but I love both. The SB Blackland has sharp edges so you definitely need to find the right angle for a smooth shave, the Timeless is just smooth and efficient. I have found no issue with drag with either Blackland and they are both black oxide. I alternate with all of them except the scalloped Timeless just not as smooth for me.

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 04-11-2018, 03:58 PM
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 04-12-2018, 08:00 PM
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I owned both. Both are of exceptional quality, but the Blackbird provided me a better shave. It did have more blade feel though than the .95 timeless

In the end I sold both because my Rockwell 6S just outperformed them all!

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 04-15-2018, 06:52 AM
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(04-12-2018, 08:00 PM)Stubble Daddy Wrote: I owned both. Both are of exceptional quality, but the Blackbird provided me a better shave. It did have more blade feel though than the .95 timeless

In the end I sold both because my Rockwell 6S just outperformed them all!
Although YMMV rules, this is quite some verdict. I have a blackbird and a couple of timless razors on the way.

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 04-15-2018, 07:11 AM
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(04-15-2018, 06:52 AM)luv2shave Wrote:
(04-12-2018, 08:00 PM)Stubble Daddy Wrote: I owned both. Both are of exceptional quality, but the Blackbird provided me a better shave. It did have more blade feel though than the .95 timeless

In the end I sold both because my Rockwell 6S just outperformed them all!
Although YMMV rules, this is quite some verdict. I have a blackbird and a couple of timless razors on the way.

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The machining and finish on the Timeless & Blackbird are quite superior to the to Rockwell, but the Rockwell clearly gave me a better shave... every time.




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 04-15-2018, 05:20 PM
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(02-03-2017, 06:48 AM)celestino Wrote: Timeless Scalloped .95 = smooth and effective shaver, but I find it leaves me with too much irritation to get as close of a shave compared to the Blackbird Polished.

Blackbird Polished SB = shaves not as smooth and a bit harsh if you don't keep the proper angle, but it is extremely effective and leaves me with very minimal irritation. Great shaver!

I could not agree more with Celestino's findings.  I have both these razors (Timeless in OC version & BB in OC & SB), and the Timeless is smoother and the blade is held more rigid.  I have no issue getting close, but it is easy to over shave a bit because I find it fairly more on the aggressive side with its blade gap.

Just to add, I think the BB OC is a bit more harsh then the SB because of the sharper edges of the teeth.  As such, I prefer the SB version.  Other then the feel of the teeth, I think the SB & OC shave the same and the OC is no more aggressive (unless maybe if you are shaving a beard - I have not done this).  The gaps between the teeth might shave longer whiskers better.

The BB to me is more like a Ferrari in that it is more sensitive to technique used, but once dialed in, it is great.  Both are fine razors, but I like the BB better out of the 2.
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 04-15-2018, 08:24 PM
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(04-15-2018, 05:20 PM)Smooth Steve Wrote:
(02-03-2017, 06:48 AM)celestino Wrote: Timeless Scalloped .95 = smooth and effective shaver, but I find it leaves me with too much irritation to get as close of a shave compared to the Blackbird Polished.

Blackbird Polished SB = shaves not as smooth and a bit harsh if you don't keep the proper angle, but it is extremely effective and leaves me with very minimal irritation. Great shaver!

I could not agree more with Celestino's findings.  I have both these razors (Timeless in OC version & BB in OC & SB), and the Timeless is smoother and the blade is held more rigid.  I have no issue getting close, but it is easy to over shave a bit because I find it fairly more on the aggressive side with its blade gap.

Just to add, I think the BB OC is a bit more harsh then the SB because of the sharper edges of the teeth.  As such, I prefer the SB version.  Other then the feel of the teeth, I think the SB & OC shave the same and the OC is no more aggressive (unless maybe if you are shaving a beard - I have not done this).  The gaps between the teeth might shave longer whiskers better.

The BB to me is more like a Ferrari in that it is more sensitive to technique used, but once dialed in, it is great.  Both are fine razors, but I like the BB better out of the 2.
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Steve, can you please comment on the technique you use on the BB?
I bought my BB OC more than one month ago and I cannot still dial it in. I find it extremely aggressive and cannot find the right shaving angle yet. It’s like a wild purebred Arabic horse I am still trying to domesticate..

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 04-15-2018, 10:52 PM
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(04-15-2018, 07:11 AM)Stubble Daddy Wrote:
(04-15-2018, 06:52 AM)luv2shave Wrote:
(04-12-2018, 08:00 PM)Stubble Daddy Wrote: I owned both. Both are of exceptional quality, but the Blackbird provided me a better shave. It did have more blade feel though than the .95 timeless

In the end I sold both because my Rockwell 6S just outperformed them all!
Although YMMV rules, this is quite some verdict. I have a blackbird and a couple of timless razors on the way.

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The machining and finish on the Timeless & Blackbird are quite superior to the to Rockwell, but the Rockwell clearly gave me a better shave... every time.




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I like the "industrial tool" looks of the Rockwell. Humility in looks and outperforms the artistic champs. The razor may or may not look artistic or aesthetic - it needs to make me look Good !! All that matters Smile

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 04-16-2018, 06:54 PM
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(04-15-2018, 08:24 PM)FedeMore Wrote:
(04-15-2018, 05:20 PM)Smooth Steve Wrote:
(02-03-2017, 06:48 AM)celestino Wrote: Timeless Scalloped .95 = smooth and effective shaver, but I find it leaves me with too much irritation to get as close of a shave compared to the Blackbird Polished.

Blackbird Polished SB = shaves not as smooth and a bit harsh if you don't keep the proper angle, but it is extremely effective and leaves me with very minimal irritation. Great shaver!

I could not agree more with Celestino's findings.  I have both these razors (Timeless in OC version & BB in OC & SB), and the Timeless is smoother and the blade is held more rigid.  I have no issue getting close, but it is easy to over shave a bit because I find it fairly more on the aggressive side with its blade gap.

Just to add, I think the BB OC is a bit more harsh then the SB because of the sharper edges of the teeth.  As such, I prefer the SB version.  Other then the feel of the teeth, I think the SB & OC shave the same and the OC is no more aggressive (unless maybe if you are shaving a beard - I have not done this).  The gaps between the teeth might shave longer whiskers better.

The BB to me is more like a Ferrari in that it is more sensitive to technique used, but once dialed in, it is great.  Both are fine razors, but I like the BB better out of the 2.
Steve
Steve, can you please comment on the technique you use on the BB?
I bought my BB OC more than one month ago and I cannot still dial it in. I find it extremely aggressive and cannot find the right shaving angle yet. It’s like a wild purebred Arabic horse I am still trying to domesticate..

I found that I angle the razor so that the handle is as close to my face as possible while still having the blade edge contact my skin.  I find I get the best shave with the BB this way having the handle biased to being tighter to my face.  I hope that helps.  This is very similar to what I also find works best for the R41.  I also use shorter strokes to keep the angle more consistent. 
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