08-14-2012, 12:38 PM
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  • Teiste
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Thanks to Aaron622,I now have the chance to try out this vintage Plisson 12 HMW shaving brush,with real European badger hair,and after trying it,I must say that there is nothing new under the sun...

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This brush could be from the late 1970's,early 80's and its craftsmanship is very good.The handle is quiet heavy,heavier than the current handles that Plisson makes.

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I like that this brush doesnt have a Plisson decal,but actually the Plisson words just engraved and painted on the handle,the same than "Pure Badger".Its funny how back in time,some makers used "pure badger" for every brush they made,independently of the badger hair grade.The same happens with Kent these days, as they label every shaving brush as "pre badger".

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As you can see,the badger hair that this brush has,its a 3 band and very similar to the HMW 3 band badger hair, than Plisson currently uses.Here is a pic where you can see both hairs :

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So you can guess that they are basically the same hair and behaves the same.

This badger hair has soft tips,but not super soft,velvety tips and also a good backbone (pretty far away from being a floppy brush) as well as flow,an excellent flow.So basically like the current HMW 3 band badger hair.Nothing new under the sun,I would say,and this is a clear example of it,even when the badger hair from this vintage brush was harvested in Russia (thats my guess) and the current HMW is harvested in China.

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I was really exited to try this brush,when Aaron622 kindly offered me,but now I realized its the same one than current Plisson HMW.However is great to see how this badger hair is still in perfect condition after more than 30 years,so when you buy a Plisson HMW,you know that the hair its gonna last if you truly care after it.

Thanks to Aaron622 for its generosity and letting me try,what for some is the "Holy Grail" of shaving brushes.

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 08-14-2012, 05:04 PM
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Thanks for the review, Teiste. I have to say I'm pretty surprised that the hair is so similar to what is currently available. One thing to note is that my brush is technically EW as opposed to the modern brushes which are HMW.

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 08-14-2012, 07:00 PM
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  • Teiste
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(08-14-2012, 05:04 PM)Aaron622 Wrote: Thanks for the review, Teiste. I have to say I'm pretty surprised that the hair is so similar to what is currently available. One thing to note is that my brush is technically EW as opposed to the modern brushes which are HMW.

My friend,I have tried the European White and two HMW 3 band and this is clearly a HMW.
Marketing,I guess,since this brush only had the "pure badger" denomination.Biggrin

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 08-14-2012, 07:14 PM
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It has very white tips, just like the modern stuff, a larger middle band, similar to the modern era, but what's really different is the bottom third of the hair.

Very different than the modern look. I'm very surprised that the modern brush performs the same. I wonder if they had to do some tinkering.

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 08-14-2012, 07:18 PM
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(08-14-2012, 07:14 PM)asharperrazor Wrote: It has very white tips, just like the modern stuff, a larger middle band, similar to the modern era, but what's really different is the bottom third of the hair.

Very different than the modern look. I'm very surprised that the modern brush performs the same. I wonder if they had to do some tinkering.

My friend : the 3 band looks darker than it really is,so Im sorry that my pictures can reflect that 3 band color as it is.

Tinkering?I wouldn't be surprise if the do.

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 08-14-2012, 07:32 PM
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Wow, that is a beautiful handle! Amazing!

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 08-14-2012, 07:48 PM
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This may be semantics, but the true HMW brushes at the time had slightly whiter tips. There are some good pics in this thread on SMF showing the difference. (The only HMW brush I've tried was a little size 8, and it was not impressive at all: prickly and floppy.) However, I don't consider it a representative example. As for the color of the hair, I think it's changed a bit since I bought it (and started using it frequently). It could just be the pictures, but I think the tips actually used to be yellower, and the middle band was a rich, chocolate brown (it now has some accumulated soap scum that never really comes off). Here's a picture of the brush soon after a bought it for comparison (two band Tulip for comparison):
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 08-14-2012, 10:24 PM
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(08-14-2012, 07:48 PM)Aaron622 Wrote: This may be semantics, but the true HMW brushes at the time had slightly whiter tips. There are some good pics in this thread on SMF showing the difference. (The only HMW brush I've tried was a little size 8, and it was not impressive at all: prickly and floppy.) However, I don't consider it a representative example. As for the color of the hair, I think it's changed a bit since I bought it (and started using it frequently). It could just be the pictures, but I think the tips actually used to be yellower, and the middle band was a rich, chocolate brown (it now has some accumulated soap scum that never really comes off). Here's a picture of the brush soon after a bought it for comparison (two band Tulip for comparison):
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Well,it might be semantics (or not) but it seems that Buzz,due to his comments, didn't find any differences between the European White and HMW badger hair,back at the time.
Thanks for posting the info,Aaron,it was really interesting to read that thread over at SMF.

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 08-15-2012, 01:47 AM
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Good to know that the current production units are as good as the vintage ones. Thanks for the review, Teiste Cool

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 08-15-2012, 08:45 AM
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Excellent info here, much thanks!

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 08-15-2012, 09:49 AM
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That is an amazing brush, you are truly lucky

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 01-19-2014, 02:21 PM
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  • celar36
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It become my favourite brush. Using it is pure pleasure. In one word masterpiece!

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 01-19-2014, 04:19 PM
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(01-19-2014, 02:21 PM)celar36 Wrote: It become my favourite brush. Using it is pure pleasure. In one word masterpiece!

One of the best badger shaving brushes I have tried in 5 years.

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 01-19-2014, 05:40 PM
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I have been tempted to buy a HMW 12 with horn handle, but I do read a lot of mixed reviews... Specially considering the price.

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 01-19-2014, 07:51 PM
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They don't make them like they used to. I guess it's time to change my avatar.

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 01-19-2014, 07:55 PM
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(01-19-2014, 07:51 PM)Aaron622 Wrote: They don't make them like they used to. I guess it's time to change my avatar.

After testing 3 old HMW Plisson brushes , and some of the new ones , I can say that too.

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 01-20-2014, 02:31 AM
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(01-19-2014, 07:55 PM)Teiste Wrote:
(01-19-2014, 07:51 PM)Aaron622 Wrote: They don't make them like they used to. I guess it's time to change my avatar.

After testing 3 old HMW Plisson brushes , and some of the new ones , I can say that too.

Teiste, but didn't you say in the review that the hair on Aaron662's brush that is over 30 YO is pretty much the same as the commercially available HMW? I'm confused. Rolleyes

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 01-20-2014, 06:35 AM
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(01-20-2014, 02:31 AM)TheMonk Wrote:
(01-19-2014, 07:55 PM)Teiste Wrote:
(01-19-2014, 07:51 PM)Aaron622 Wrote: They don't make them like they used to. I guess it's time to change my avatar.

After testing 3 old HMW Plisson brushes , and some of the new ones , I can say that too.

Teiste, but didn't you say in the review that the hair on Aaron662's brush that is over 30 YO is pretty much the same as the commercially available HMW? I'm confused. Rolleyes

Me too... Confused

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 01-20-2014, 05:48 PM
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Well , read what I have written again.I have tested 3 old HMW Plisson , and of the 3 , this one is closer to the "newish" HMW , but with differences.

This one is the Holy Grail of badger brushes of all I have tried : http://shavenook.com/thread-plisson-14-h...ving-brush and the reviewed one , one of the best I have tried (and don't ask me to do a brush ranking , please...)

BTW , the WSP Stubby HMW 3 band that I own is very , very similar to the Plisson 14 HMW vintage on that link.

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 01-20-2014, 06:39 PM
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  • ben74
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Hair regardless of brand is subject to differences across batches.

I have around a dozen Plisson brushes (and I once owned more). I am yet to be disappointed with any HMW brush in my collection. I have however noticed some strong differences across batches of EW brushes with generally the ones from a few years ago being "better" IMO than some of the more recent ones. That said I have a relatively recent EW that is absolutely outstanding!

Sometimes its just the luck of the draw!

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