03-03-2017, 05:48 AM
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Dear gents;

I am about to receive a Jerry Starks custom, made out of a Randy Haas feathered damascus steel. Two months into the project i start to wonder, how does damascus compare with tools grade carbon steel? I mean, how hard it is? Does it holds a very keen edge better? How do you hone it? Or it is only beautiful to look at? Jajaja. Guess not...

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Pepe Peña


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 03-05-2017, 07:15 AM
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Better steel, sharper edges than most carbon steel razors.

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 03-05-2017, 11:38 AM
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Just pretty certainly not harder or better I've owned and honed many Damascus razors, you are paying for the workmanship.

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 03-21-2017, 01:34 PM
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(03-05-2017, 11:38 AM)Jamie Mahoney Wrote: Just pretty certainly not harder or better I've owned and honed many Damascus razors, you are paying for the workmanship.
This.

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(03-05-2017, 11:38 AM)Jamie Mahoney Wrote: Just pretty certainly not harder or better I've owned and honed many Damascus razors, you are paying for the workmanship.

This is my experience with knives and razors. High carbon tool steel is excellent. The nature of damascus does not let it take the edge a straight shaver needs. For a knife it is a great cutting edge with built in micro serrations. Not good for a smooth shave. That is why many razors are damascus clad with a steel core/non-damascus cutting edge. That way you get performance, good looks, and the pleasure of using a well crafted tool.

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 9 hours ago
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Damascus steel is - technically speaking - a misnomer in this day and age (the original method of producing Damascus steel from wootz steel is a lost art, and modern attempts to duplicate the metal have not been entirely successful due to differences in raw materials and manufacturing techniques). It's worth nothing however that a great many modern steel outperforms the original Damascus steel by a not insignificant margin.

What is commonly refereed to as "Damascus steel" is technically either a laminate of iron and steel that is heated, folded, heated again and so on or a pattern weld . Done well it combines the hardness of steel with the ductility of iron - but as a general rule it's more prone to oxidation than either. If you look after it it'll last a lifetime though, so it's not something to worry about - and both laminated and pattern welded blades are plain awesome to look at Biggrin

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 8 hours ago
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I have several Damascus steel straights. They don't seem to hold an edge any better than most of my carbon steel razors, and less so than my stainless steel and Japanese razors, but they sure do look cool. When I have the choice, and cash, I always go for the look of Damascus.

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 5 hours ago
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(9 hours ago)WegianWarrior Wrote: Damascus steel is - technically speaking - a misnomer in this day and age (the original method of producing Damascus steel from wootz steel is a lost art, and modern attempts to duplicate the metal have not been entirely successful due to differences in raw materials and manufacturing techniques). It's worth nothing however that a great many modern steel outperforms the original Damascus steel by a not insignificant margin.

What is commonly refereed to as "Damascus steel" is technically either a laminate of iron and steel that is heated, folded, heated again and so on or a pattern weld . Done well it combines the hardness of steel with the ductility of iron - but as a general rule it's more prone to oxidation than either. If you look after it it'll last a lifetime though, so it's not something to worry about - and both laminated and pattern welded blades are plain awesome to look at Biggrin


Dear Warrior;

I thank you for taking time to answer. Your knowledge is vast. The damascus i am expecting is a mix of 1080 and 15n20 steels. Any insight into that?

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Pepe Peña


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 5 hours ago
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(10 hours ago)u2u Wrote:
(03-05-2017, 11:38 AM)Jamie Mahoney Wrote: Just pretty certainly not harder or better I've owned and honed many Damascus razors, you are paying for the workmanship.

This is my experience with knives and razors. High carbon tool steel is excellent. The nature of damascus does not let it take the edge a straight shaver needs. For a knife it is a great cutting edge with built in micro serrations. Not good for a smooth shave. That is why many razors are damascus clad with a steel core/non-damascus cutting edge. That way you get performance, good looks, and the pleasure of using a well crafted tool.


Dear 2u2;

What if the razor maker was so crafty that he is able to align one of the steels along the entire edge? Is this posible? Could this eliminate the micro serrations you mention?

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Pepe Peña


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(8 hours ago)evnpar Wrote: I have several Damascus steel straights. They don't seem to hold an edge any better than most of my carbon steel razors, and less so than my stainless steel and Japanese razors, but they sure do look cool. When I have the choice, and cash, I always go for the look of Damascus.


Dear Mr. 72;

I take "any better" any day of the week. I dont own any stainless. My kamisori is white steel. We will see, i guess. I thank you all for your comments.

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Pepe Peña


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