03-14-2017, 05:07 PM
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I'm into jnats so I look around at what's being offered (though I really only purchase from one seller). I came across a seller by the name of your_togiya on the big auction site, his main store is yourtogiya.bigcartel.com  I'm pretty familiar with the fake dealers out there, but I don't have a read on this one and haven't heard anything.

Ostensibly, the stones look interesting but the uniformity in the stamping is uncanny and probably fake. My takeaway is to avoid this shop, but maybe some of you have more insight

Any thoughts on this dealer?



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 03-14-2017, 08:19 PM
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He has one listing for 0.99 BIN and $377 for shipping ? the other two look like ok stones but you have to understand that these stones are generally sold in markets in Japan and also are naturally mined and may be untested for using with razors, this is not to say that they would not work and performa the task at hand but in my opinion it's better to buy from a trusted dealer that possibly offers returns, Alex at Japan Stone has a huge slection of JNATS and offers a 100% money back gurantee minus the shipping and he tests every stone, also Mark at CKTG has a good selection

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 03-14-2017, 11:46 PM
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Mark I know of a nice stone available from a genuine seller I'll send you a PM.

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 03-15-2017, 06:09 AM
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Another dealer with a modest selection of stones, but trustworthy, is Keith Johnson. He has an Etsy store called Tomo Nagura and a website with the same name that has a lot of good information.

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 03-15-2017, 08:05 AM
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Thanks everyone, I know the genuine sellers and purchase from them. But my question is about this particular seller, any jnat experts think the stamps are legitimate?

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 04-05-2017, 07:26 AM
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(03-14-2017, 05:07 PM)immoralworker Wrote: I'm into jnats so I look around at what's being offered (though I really only purchase from one seller). I came across a seller by the name of your_togiya on the big auction site, his main store is yourtogiya.bigcartel.com  I'm pretty familiar with the fake dealers out there, but I don't have a read on this one and haven't heard anything.

Ostensibly, the stones look interesting but the uniformity in the stamping is uncanny and probably fake. My takeaway is to avoid this shop, but maybe some of you have more insight

Any thoughts on this dealer?



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I bought from this seller many times for direct razors - quality at the height! The seller sends for free, there is a refund, installments and discounts! True stones!

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 07-03-2018, 05:49 PM
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your_togiya whetstones are FAKE! And it is proved!
It is already proven that the Russian guy from yourtogiya.com or whetstones_and_blades on eBay is a scammer!
For people with experience it was obvious, but those who are new to jnats didn't knew that.

Check the post in the Straight Razor Honing group on Facebook. A member came with incontestable proof that the stamps are fake.
 Nakayama mine is closed since 1967 but yourtogiya.com is constantly selling new/fresh stamped Nakayama Maruichi and Hatahoshi.

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 09-12-2018, 01:34 AM
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(07-03-2018, 05:49 PM)Tron Wrote: It is already proven that the Russian guy from yourtogiya.com or whetstones_and_blades on eBay is a scammer.
Recently he changed his name on eBay and still continue to sell fake stamped whetstones.
Now he can be found under the name japanese_natural_whetstone and kossy_1123 continuing his "business"
For people with experience it was obvious, but those who are new to jnats didn't knew that.

Check the post in the Straight Razor Honing group on Facebook.
A member came with incontestable proof that the stamps are fake and the members keep the post updated every time he is changing his ID.

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 05-05-2019, 07:55 PM
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(03-15-2017, 06:09 AM)AndrewA Wrote: Another dealer with a modest selection of stones, but trustworthy, is Keith Johnson. He has an Etsy store called Tomo Nagura and a website with the same name that has a lot of good information.
Keith Johnson from Tomo-Nagura has some great selling skills and he knew how to gain popularity among sellers. 
His stones are good, a bit exaggerated descriptions, but good. And overpriced.

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 05-06-2019, 02:46 AM
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(05-05-2019, 07:55 PM)Tron Wrote:
(03-15-2017, 06:09 AM)AndrewA Wrote: Another dealer with a modest selection of stones, but trustworthy, is Keith Johnson. He has an Etsy store called Tomo Nagura and a website with the same name that has a lot of good information.
Keith Johnson from Tomo-Nagura has some great selling skills and he knew how to gain popularity among sellers. 
His stones are good, a bit exaggerated descriptions, but good. And overpriced.

You are correct on that, the one stone I purchased from him is long gone, was advertised as the Stone of all stones but ended up be meh.... so sold it off and recouped most of my investment

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 05-06-2019, 04:46 AM
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They’d probably be fairly priced if they matched the descriptions lol. Sellers all have the same problem. You buy a number of stones, some are excellent and some are meh. What do you do with the meh stones? There are many stones that are too hard to be good knife hones and too coarse to be a good razor hone. Dealers also often don’t have time to really test the razor quality of their stones, they just have too many. Does it work on hollows and wedges equally well? Does it work on Sheffield and French and Japanese equally well? Does it work with Inox cryo steel?

To get a really good jnat from auctions or major sellers, I have to buy or try several. Like 10. Usually I’ll have one out of that number that’s a top-notch razor hone. And it may have some defects of some sort. A lot of folks have wanted to buy one of the 1% - 2% stones, I tell them OK but they have to buy the other 9 with it. I haven’t sold one yet. Knife hones aren’t such a problem because a pot roast never complains.

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 05-07-2019, 07:59 AM
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(05-06-2019, 04:46 AM)Steve56 Wrote: They’d probably be fairly priced if they matched the descriptions lol. Sellers all have the same problem. You buy a number of stones, some are excellent and some are meh. What do you do with the meh stones? There are many stones that are too hard to be good knife hones and too coarse to be a good razor hone. Dealers also often don’t have time to really test the razor quality of their stones, they just have too many. Does it work on hollows and wedges equally well? Does it work on Sheffield and French and Japanese equally well? Does it work with Inox cryo steel?

To get a really good jnat from auctions or major sellers, I have to buy or try several. Like 10. Usually I’ll have one out of that number that’s a top-notch razor hone. And it may have some defects of some sort. A lot of folks have wanted to buy one of the 1% - 2% stones, I tell them OK but they have to buy the other 9 with it. I haven’t sold one yet. Knife hones aren’t such a problem because a pot roast never complains.

I guess I have been lucky, both of my Awasedo's (Shobu and Ozuku) have been superb for their intended applications, I did do a lot of tests to find out how to get the most out of them. They are both super sharp and smooth.

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