03-31-2017, 03:21 PM
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Hi I was wondering if he can start a thread which lists all the vendors who offer manchurian knots?

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 03-31-2017, 03:41 PM
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Yes, as long as the list does not contain links to vendors not affiliated with TSN.

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 03-31-2017, 03:50 PM
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Maybe I've been out of the game too much but manchurian really isn't a standard designation just like any other designation. Simpsons was the first (in my memory) to have a Manchurian designation and I think others' followed suit. In fact I can't think of a major brush maker that has a Manchurian brush except Simpsons.

I've never personally had one but members I trust on these issues have said there is a difference between it and Simpsons' two-band, which would be the most direct comparison.

But to answer you question, you can get Simpsons' Manchurian only directly from Simpson.

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 03-31-2017, 07:06 PM
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As I understand it, Manchurian has come to be used as a catchall term for 2 band badger hair. Are you looking for a list of vendors that specifically call their knot Manchurian or 2 band knots in general?

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 03-31-2017, 07:26 PM
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Agreed.

The term 'Manchurian' in terms of knots, at this time, is marketing more than anything else, IMO.

There are many valued brands that sustain quality badger brushes.

I would not fixate on 'labels'.

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 03-31-2017, 07:29 PM
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There is no standard, objective terminology when it comes to badger hair.  Arguably, the term Manchurian should be reserved for the Simpson product.  Others have used the term, but one has no guarantee that their product will be the same high quality as, or possess the characteristics of, Simpson Manchurian.

The badger hair which I find most closely resembles Simpson Manchurian, but which is not labeled Manchurian, is Shavemac D01 2-band.

Among other badger hair labeled Manchurian, I find that the Manchurian White from Bob Quinn/Elite Razor is excellent.  However, the characteristics of that hair do not resemble Simpson Manchurian at all.

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 03-31-2017, 07:53 PM
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Saponificio Varesino sells their brushes under the same name/grade as Simpson, High Mountain White of Manchuria.

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 03-31-2017, 08:50 PM
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Out of curiosity, what would the argument be for reserving the term Manchurian for Simpson products?

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 03-31-2017, 09:00 PM
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(03-31-2017, 08:50 PM)NeekoC Wrote: Out of curiosity, what would the argument be for reserving the term Manchurian for Simpson products?

I'm not sure if I understand. Could you phrase that another way?

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 03-31-2017, 10:04 PM
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(03-31-2017, 07:29 PM)TheLegalRazor Wrote: There is no standard, objective terminology when it comes to badger hair.  Arguably, the term Manchurian should be reserved for the Simpson product.  Others have used the term, but one has no guarantee that their product will be the same high quality as, or possess the characteristics of, Simpson Manchurian.

The badger hair which I find most closely resembles Simpson Manchurian, but which is not labeled Manchurian, is Shavemac D01 2-band.

Among other badger hair labeled Manchurian, I find that the Manchurian White from Bob Quinn/Elite Razor is excellent.  However, the characteristics of that hair do not resemble Simpson Manchurian at all.

Just wondering what the argument for only applying the term Manchurian to Simpson products is.

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 03-31-2017, 11:26 PM
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The hard thing that unless the hair is dna tested, to find out the exact species of badger, you are basically left with what the company and/or supplier says the lot is made from. Now, do producers or sellers use the term manchurian in the title or grade? Yes. But is it just another marketing term? Not always. It (Manchurian, from Manchuria of Northeast Asia) may actually be more accurate in terms of where the badger hair is sourced from where as High Mountain White might be a reference to the environment and/or the altitude whether the badger was taken from.

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 04-01-2017, 04:40 AM
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(03-31-2017, 08:50 PM)NeekoC Wrote: Out of curiosity, what would the argument be for reserving the term Manchurian for Simpson products?

I don't think there is any, anymore. Simpsons' reintroduced the "Manchurian" designation a few years ago and I remember them saying that it was sourced from a different area than their two-band (now silvertip to make things even more confusing). Who knows if it's actually from the Manchurian region.

These days, like Ravi said, it's more marketing than anything else. There is no agency in charge of designations so you go off of reputation.

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 04-01-2017, 07:45 AM
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(03-31-2017, 08:50 PM)NeekoC Wrote: Out of curiosity, what would the argument be for reserving the term Manchurian for Simpson products?

Fair question.  I don't know about the geographic origin of any badger hair, regardless of what it's called.  I do know that Simpson was the first to use the label Manchurian for a sub type of two-band hair with different characteristics than regular two-band hair.  Simpson Manchurian hair is noticeably thicker and stiffer than regular two-band hair, resulting in greater backbone and scrub.  However, the term Manchurian is now being applied to any two-band hair, even if it lacks the unique characteristics of Simpson Manchurian.

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 04-01-2017, 08:45 AM
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(04-01-2017, 07:45 AM)TheLegalRazor Wrote:
(03-31-2017, 08:50 PM)NeekoC Wrote: Out of curiosity, what would the argument be for reserving the term Manchurian for Simpson products?

Fair question.  I don't know about the geographic origin of any badger hair, regardless of what it's called.  I do know that Simpson was the first to use the label Manchurian for a sub type of two-band hair with different characteristics than regular two-band hair.  Simpson Manchurian hair is noticeably thicker and stiffer than regular two-band hair, resulting in greater backbone and scrub. However, the term Manchurian is now being applied to any two-band hair, even if it lacks the unique characteristics of Simpson Manchurian.

^^ This - as well as excellent flow-through.

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 04-01-2017, 11:01 AM
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Panta Rei from Sicily offers manchurian..
Handpainted ceramic handle brushes.
Very nice! (I have one on the way Smile )

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 04-01-2017, 11:51 AM
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(04-01-2017, 11:01 AM)tyson81 Wrote: Panta Rei from Sicily offers manchurian..
Handpainted ceramic handle brushes.
Very nice! (I have one on the way Smile )

Please post pictures when you get yours.  They are indeed very nice and unique brushes.

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 04-03-2017, 02:20 AM
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(04-01-2017, 11:01 AM)tyson81 Wrote: Panta Rei from Sicily offers manchurian..
Handpainted ceramic handle brushes.
Very nice! (I have one on the way Smile )

I just saw one in another thread - isn't anyone worried about breaking these??

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 04-03-2017, 02:33 AM
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(04-03-2017, 02:20 AM)inspectoring Wrote:
(04-01-2017, 11:01 AM)tyson81 Wrote: Panta Rei from Sicily offers manchurian..
Handpainted ceramic handle brushes.
Very nice! (I have one on the way Smile )

I just saw one in another thread - isn't anyone worried about breaking these??

I certainly would be, but they are beautiful and unique brushes.

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