08-23-2012, 02:52 PM
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I thought the 1438 was a dyed band Extra brush like the 620? Mine certainly has different hair than my 1470, with which it is grouped above.

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 08-26-2012, 04:07 AM
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  • DLreno
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This info is very useful. I have long wondered what the differences were between these brushes. Thank you!

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 08-27-2012, 10:15 AM
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(08-19-2012, 02:51 AM)Leon Wrote: Here's a list of the different grades Semogue currently uses to make their wonderful boar brushes:

  1. Premium 90% tops
  2. Best 90% tops
  3. Extra 75% tops
  4. Super 70% tops
  5. Special Grade 90% tops

The Premium grade appears in the iconic 1305. Following the success of the 1305, some asked me if it was possible to have the same knot, but in a acrylic handle, so the 830 was born. This grade usually has a dyed band, but it appears undyed in the 2000 mixed with other grade hair.

The Best is also a hair that gets great remarks. It appears on the 1460, 1470, 1438 and 1250 brushes. It's undyed. Owners of these brushes speak highly of these knots, having great amount of lather easily, usually in bowl, but it's just as efficient directly used in the face.

The Extra grade is scratchier than other grades, but over the time will soften a bit. It appears in the 1520 and 620 brushes. It's also used in the 1800 mixed with Premium 90. This boar grade provides good backbone and having an extra scratchiness is often chosen by the face lathering fans. This is usually dyed.

Thank for the info Leon, but I am a little confused. From above you are saying that the 1438 (and others) have an undyed Best bristle knot.

I have the 1438 and 620, both are dyed, and both appear and feel to be the same knot.

I also have an 820 which is not listed that has an undyed longer knot that either the 1438 or 620.

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 08-30-2012, 12:18 AM
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(08-27-2012, 10:15 AM)Azarius Wrote: Thank for the info Leon, but I am a little confused. From above you are saying that the 1438 (and others) have an undyed Best bristle knot.

You're correct. I changed my initial post.

The 1438 is very similar to the 1520, if you look at it. Only the shape of the handle is different. Initially, when the 1438 was re-launched, the colors were the exact pattern of the 1520. Later, that pattern was corrected and the colors order was switched - the red and black switched places to become just like the original vintage 1438.

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 08-30-2012, 07:52 AM
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Are different species of boar used for the different grades?

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 09-03-2012, 12:54 AM
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(08-30-2012, 07:52 AM)asharperrazor Wrote: Are different species of boar used for the different grades?

As far as I know, no. The origin is the simple plain piggy.

Using anything other than that animal has not been successful, for example, using wild boar bristles have been proven to be too thick and harsh to be used as a shaving brush.

On the other hand, Semogue made some brushes recently using black Iberian boar. The black pig is a rare breed of pigs that only exist in the Southern part of my country and some parts of Spain. The bristles are slightly thicker, harder to break in and, of course, all black.

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 09-03-2012, 01:16 AM
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(08-30-2012, 12:18 AM)Leon Wrote: You're correct. I changed my initial post.

The 1438 is very similar to the 1520, if you look at it. Only the shape of the handle is different. Initially, when the 1438 was re-launched, the colors were the exact pattern of the 1520. Later, that pattern was corrected and the colors order was switched - the red and black switched places to become just like the original vintage 1438.

Thanks for the clarification Leon.

Would you know what other wood handled Semogue boars use the same knot as 1438?

Thanks in advance Biggrin

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 09-03-2012, 04:53 AM
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Arley, the 1520 that Bruno mentions is almost the same knot as the 1438. Just 1mm difference in knot I think.

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 09-03-2012, 11:46 AM
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(09-03-2012, 04:53 AM)SharpSpine Wrote: Arley, the 1520 that Bruno mentions is almost the same knot as the 1438. Just 1mm difference in knot I think.

Thanks Brian...I think I have found my next Semogue!

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 09-03-2012, 12:18 PM
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Interesting! Thanks Leon.

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 09-04-2012, 07:32 PM
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  • Johnny
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I have both 1438 brushes Bruno mentions (red bottom/black bottom) and they are two of my favorite Semogue brushes. I also really like my 1460 and 1470 undyed Semogue.

I wished they made a smaller version of the 1305.

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 09-05-2012, 08:56 AM
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  • Tonality
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I'm a very visual person, so a bunch of words and model numbers get all mixed up in my head. So...I made a little spreadsheet to hopefully help everyone in being able to compare and contrast each of the Semogue boar brushes. Enjoy!

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 09-05-2012, 09:06 AM
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Anthony, very well done sir. Thanks

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 09-05-2012, 09:33 AM
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Thank you, Johnny! I know there are a few missing, or color variants of brushes that are not on there, but it has every current production brush (plus the LEs) that are listed on vintagescent.

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 09-05-2012, 09:35 AM
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Great work Anthony. ClapThumbup Was this your b'day present to yourself and all your fellow Nook members?

Everything is very well organized and easy to understand. The pictures really do solidify the information.

That post deserves it's own sticky, me thinks!

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 09-05-2012, 09:39 AM
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Well, if a mod so feel it, then I'd certainly allow it. We certainly can consider it a bday present to the site!

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 09-05-2012, 09:58 AM
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We will probably just leave it in this thread for now. Call it a sticky inside a sticky.

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 09-05-2012, 10:35 AM
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(09-05-2012, 08:56 AM)Tonality Wrote: I'm a very visual person, so a bunch of words and model numbers get all mixed up in my head. So...I made a little spreadsheet to hopefully help everyone in being able to compare and contrast each of the Semogue boar brushes. Enjoy!

Outstanding job Anthony...this completely clarifies any confusion I may have had on the brushes, their hair grades, and size.

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 09-05-2012, 11:55 AM
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(09-05-2012, 10:35 AM)Azarius Wrote:
(09-05-2012, 08:56 AM)Tonality Wrote: I'm a very visual person, so a bunch of words and model numbers get all mixed up in my head. So...I made a little spreadsheet to hopefully help everyone in being able to compare and contrast each of the Semogue boar brushes. Enjoy!

Outstanding job Anthony...this completely clarifies any confusion I may have had on the brushes, their hair grades, and size.

Thank you for the kind words and I'm glad it helps in the way I hoped it would!

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 09-05-2012, 07:41 PM
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(09-05-2012, 11:55 AM)Tonality Wrote:
(09-05-2012, 10:35 AM)Azarius Wrote:
(09-05-2012, 08:56 AM)Tonality Wrote: I'm a very visual person, so a bunch of words and model numbers get all mixed up in my head. So...I made a little spreadsheet to hopefully help everyone in being able to compare and contrast each of the Semogue boar brushes. Enjoy!

Outstanding job Anthony...this completely clarifies any confusion I may have had on the brushes, their hair grades, and size.

Thank you for the kind words and I'm glad it helps in the way I hoped it would!

Great job Anthony, thanks....

Julian

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