08-03-2017, 12:26 PM
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Hi all,

My number came up on the Wolf Whiskers wait list, and I was hoping others could share their opinions on the best knot to get.  I'm considering either the Envy White 2-band (2-band knots from Simpsons, M&F, Thater, etc. are my favorite brushes) or the black wolf synthetic (I've never owned a synthetic before and have been wanting to give it a try).  So what do you all think?  Is it worth using my spot on the list to get my first synthetic knot, or should I stick with badger? 

Thank you!

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 08-03-2017, 12:36 PM
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I would go for the black synthetic, which is an excellent knot.  My personal view is that Envy White knots are not comparable in quality to the 2-bands from Simpson, M&F and Thater you like.  In the future, you may want to consider buying a knot from Shavemac and having that set into a handle by Peter or another artisan of your choice.  If you still want to go with badger now, check out the Manchurian White knots from Bob Quinn/Elite Razor.  These knots are top tier and have received outstanding reviews here.  Having owned both Envy White and Manchurian White knots, I see the latter as clearly superior.  

http://www.eliterazor.com/product-catego...ium-knots/

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 08-03-2017, 12:43 PM
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If you haven't tried a synth I wouldn't waste a spot on Peter's list with a pig in a poke .. I'd make sure I liked the plastic enough to put into a premium brush before doing so.   You can try a highly regarded synth for $12, pulling one from a WW brush if/when you decide it isn't for you would be tragic, as well as costly.

My two Wolf Whiskers were done with knots I purchased from Bernd at Shavemac.

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 08-03-2017, 08:13 PM
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I would never waste a spot on Peter's list for a synth.  I am biased, but IMHO synths aren't even in the same league as a quality badger knot.

I have one of Peter's brushes with the Envy White knot, and it is fantastic!  I would recommend you go that route and not a synth.

Here's my WW brush with the Envy White knot: 

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 08-03-2017, 09:13 PM
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I haven't bought an Envy White lately. The ones I have from last year are unique. Not really like other brands two band. More backbone and flow through.

Bob Quinn has excellent knots at Elite Razors. 

Whatever you do, buy the knot first and then send it to Peter. Otherwise you may not get a perfect fit.

I wouldn't use my spot in line to pick a synthetic personally.

For what it's worth Maggard has some good quality two band badger knots. Again though, if you're not sure and judging by what you've said you like, I would still suggest going with the Elite Razors Manchurian knot and asking Peter to set it at a little less than twice the knot size for loft. 

I have three ER Manchurians in different handles. One fan and two bulbs. One was sold as 28mm and barely fit into a 30mm socket. Two are 24mm and went into 26mm sockets. Just FYI. 

Send whatever you choose to Peter. No surprises that way. 

Be sure to post pictures when it's done too!

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 08-03-2017, 09:44 PM
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(08-03-2017, 09:13 PM)bakerbarber Wrote: ...I have three ER Manchurians in different handles. One fan and two bulbs. One was sold as 28mm and barely fit into a 30mm socket. Two are 24mm and went into 26mm sockets. Just FYI...

Which do you prefer generally fan or bulb in this knot?

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 08-03-2017, 09:57 PM
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3 Wolf Whiskers brushes
Ubersoft 2- sold and wish I still had.  Somewhat closer to badger than the Black Wolf (my opinion).  Good in taller handle.
Black Wolf:  Really soft, nice feel, etc
Brad Sears: recent purchase and used 2 times.  New addition to WW knots. Pleasantly surprised - nice knot and nice bloom.  Nice price also.

If you like synthetics, here is an excellent (and only ?) opportunity to have your favorite handle and synthetic knot for approx. $80.  At approx $92 for handle with Brad Sears knot, I felt so guilty I added a tub of soap - I normally face lather with creams.  Both are favorites in my rotation.

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 08-04-2017, 05:33 AM
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(08-03-2017, 09:44 PM)old school Wrote:
(08-03-2017, 09:13 PM)bakerbarber Wrote: ...I have three ER Manchurians in different handles. One fan and two bulbs. One was sold as 28mm and barely fit into a 30mm socket. Two are 24mm and went into 26mm sockets. Just FYI...

Which do you prefer generally fan or bulb in this knot?

The fan actually. 

Out of all of my brushes I usually prefer a bulb. They tend to seem more precise when face lathering for me. 

The Elite Manchurian knot in fan is something special. The grade of badger hair he's sourced feels very nice to use and the extra volume at the tips in the fan configuration makes it feel ultra luxurious. Which is partly why I suggested a bit less than twice the size of the knot for loft. While they are not lacking in backbone I do enjoy a bit more restriction to the splay as a face latherer. To each their own though. A millimeter here or there won't diminish the enjoyment of these knots at all.

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 08-04-2017, 06:51 AM
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I just posted my new WW with the Brad Sears silvertip knot in "August Monthly Haul"

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 08-04-2017, 06:40 PM
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Do the handle only. Then send it to Scott at Declaration Brushworks for a custom knot. You won't be sorry!

-Mark

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 08-05-2017, 04:41 PM
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(08-04-2017, 06:40 PM)Whiskey Sour Wrote: Do the handle only. Then send it to Scott at Declaration Brushworks for a custom knot. You won't be sorry!

-Mark
Make sure to ask Peter for a 1 inch hole because won't install a smaller than 24mm knot.

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 08-05-2017, 05:02 PM
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(08-05-2017, 04:41 PM)Crag Wrote:
(08-04-2017, 06:40 PM)Whiskey Sour Wrote: Do the handle only. Then send it to Scott at Declaration Brushworks for a custom knot. You won't be sorry!

-Mark
Make sure to ask Peter for a 1 inch hole because won't install a smaller than 24mm knot.

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Good point. You might want to email Scott and ask him for what size Hild he prefers for the size knot you want. FWIW, I have a 24mm Declaration (B2) in a WW handle and it is a massive knot. Probably my favorite.

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 08-05-2017, 05:30 PM
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(08-05-2017, 05:02 PM)Whiskey Sour Wrote:
(08-05-2017, 04:41 PM)Crag Wrote:
(08-04-2017, 06:40 PM)Whiskey Sour Wrote: Do the handle only. Then send it to Scott at Declaration Brushworks for a custom knot. You won't be sorry!

-Mark
Make sure to ask Peter for a 1 inch hole because won't install a smaller than 24mm knot.

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Good point. You might want to email Scott and ask him for what size Hild he prefers for the size knot you want. FWIW, I have a 24mm Declaration (B2) in a WW handle and it is a massive knot. Probably my favorite.
I just had Brett Mozingo make me a handle and Scott is putting in a knot. I can't wait!

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 08-05-2017, 05:42 PM
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(08-03-2017, 12:43 PM)garyg Wrote: My two Wolf Whiskers were done with knots I purchased from Bernd at Shavemac.

This ^^^
Perfect choice.

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 08-05-2017, 06:09 PM
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Personally, I went with the black wolf knot. Very happy with it.[Image: a641317ae55f5edd973b1e63dbd787f6.jpg][Image: 51cd33f36dae23fe9f43c91cc81e1ae4.jpg][Image: b8de1e62aba4d9d57a4bb47a7c2ebfd7.jpg][Image: 0e6b658dfb085b173a656ce3cfeaea3f.jpg][Image: d0a777607220a3a22ab4e75571593444.jpg][Image: 5588db9b2093e7bb2df82a5d956a1162.jpg]

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 08-05-2017, 06:45 PM
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(08-05-2017, 06:09 PM)Lvanerstrom Wrote: Personally,  I went with the black wolf knot. Very happy with it.[Image: a641317ae55f5edd973b1e63dbd787f6.jpg]

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Nice looking brush.  My Black Wolf is in a Pi Day handle.   My recent brush was Brad Sears silvertip, RCE #36 and your Eagle handle.  Happy with both.

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 08-05-2017, 06:47 PM
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I'm hoping I hit the lottery again with the waitlist. People pay stupid prices for his brushes on eBay and such so unless I get lucky this might be my only WW ever.

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 08-05-2017, 06:52 PM
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(08-05-2017, 06:47 PM)Lvanerstrom Wrote: I'm hoping I hit the lottery again with the waitlist. People pay stupid prices for his brushes on eBay and such so unless I get lucky this might be my only WW ever.

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Agree.  I like the new "Regina Coeli" handle.  I worry the new waitlist process is "bot friendly."

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 08-06-2017, 06:11 AM
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I've got 3 Wolf Whiskers brushes. I bought all of them more than a year ago. All 3 have different badger knots. Of those 3 knots my favorite is the envy white by far. Excellent backbone without being scratchy whatsoever. Excellent flow through and builds lather really easily. I have a HMW that after using it a bit I wished I had the loft set a tad lower.

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 08-06-2017, 07:05 AM
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(08-06-2017, 06:11 AM)Pfirnett Wrote: I've got 3 Wolf Whiskers brushes. I bought all of them more than a year ago. All 3 have different badger knots. Of those 3 knots my favorite is the envy white by far. Excellent backbone without being scratchy whatsoever. Excellent flow through and builds lather really easily. I have a HMW that after using it a bit I wished I had the loft set a tad lower.

Paul, what size knot did you get?  I'm on the WW list and considering options for knots.  Great timing with this thread!

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