08-22-2017, 04:01 PM
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(08-22-2017, 03:44 AM)primotenore Wrote: Don't particularly care for brown lather, especially the kind that stains your towels. i.e. Meißner-Tremonia Strong 'n Scottish (cream). Great scent, awful color, stained towels. Sold. I still have their Dark Limes (puck) and while the color (grey!) is off-putting, at least it doesn't stain. 

(08-22-2017, 04:48 AM)jtmke Wrote: My only experience with brown lather has been Meibner's strong and Scottish.  I was so put off by the brown I have only used the soap/paste once.  It stained my towel.  I can't use a cream that will stain towels or clothes.  Put me in the "wrong on so many levels" column.

First time I've heard of this one. Thanks to both your post, I will probably refrain from getting this particular cream. I get paranoid about these things. 

Besides I am most interested in their pots of milk. Thanks for the heads up.

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 08-22-2017, 04:13 PM
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Silly reason to miss out on a great soap, but live your life.

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 08-24-2017, 04:45 PM
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I only use white products, for this very reason.  Cream coloured products = cream coloured lather, and, so forth.

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 08-26-2017, 06:07 AM
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(08-24-2017, 04:45 PM)Quando Wrote: I only use white products, for this very reason.  Cream coloured products = cream coloured lather, and, so forth.

Sorry, but this just isn't true.  The vast majority of soaps are cream colored and they produce white lather.  This week I've been shaving with Mike's Orange/Cedarwood/Black Pepper, which is way darker than "cream."  It could accurately be described as brown.  But the lather is just as white as that of any white soap I've ever used.  

Very few shaving soaps actually produce brown lather.  Lavanille definitely does.  For the most part, white soap is just brown soap with titanium dioxide added to make it look white.

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 08-26-2017, 06:45 AM
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Good point kingfisher. I just looked at my many Mike's pucks - and few, if any, are truly white/cream in color. Yet, they all provide a very nice white lather. There are a couple of especially dark brown pucks (pumpkin spice & coconut) that produce less than perfectly white lather (you can see brown in the proto-lather, but the color tends mostly to dissipate as you build on the face). However, most Mike's pucks are at least a gentle brown - yet result in very white lather. Stirling can also be like this - being very off-white on the puck, yet delivering a bright white lather.

I suppose if we are being picky - CRSW pucks (dry) seem to be universally white. SV 70'th (white when dry) builds to the most pearlescent, strikingly white lather I've ever produced.

However, once you review bath bar soaps, you'll find every color under the sun produces white suds ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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 08-26-2017, 07:07 AM
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These three soaps are all light brown and produce white lather:

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I don't care for the scent of Lavanille.  However, even if I did, I would not use it because I dislike the brown lather.  With so many excellent soaps available, I don't feel I'm missing out on anything by avoiding any soap for any reason whatsoever.

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 08-26-2017, 07:50 AM
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Educational post.  I always thought the color was based on the natural ingredients (not artificial coloring).  If the soap was orange, I assumed there was some highly useful essential oil/ingredient (bergamot for example).

I mainly use creams - all white.  I will look again at my few soaps.

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 08-26-2017, 03:12 PM
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this thread, lol.

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 08-26-2017, 04:25 PM
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To reiterate. Meißner-Tremonia Strong N' Scottish is a brown cream---which produces a brown lather---which stains white towels. That was a good enough reason for me to rid myself of the product.

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 08-28-2017, 08:41 AM
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(08-21-2017, 07:06 PM)TheLegalRazor Wrote: I don't like the scent or color of the soap.


This, for me. Brown soap is just disturbing.


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 08-28-2017, 10:39 PM
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(08-26-2017, 04:25 PM)primotenore Wrote: To reiterate. Meißner-Tremonia Strong N' Scottish is a brown cream---which produces a brown lather---which stains white towels. That was a good enough reason for me to rid myself of the product.

Which I gladly acquired from Primo (thank you) and created the " McManly shaving ritual:  Tools:  small cast iron pot, Gillette Red Tip, Wilkinson Light Brigade blade on it's fifth use and a wire brush (just kidding ?) for whipping up fine brown lather using a copious amount of Strong N' Scottish  Brown Cream brushed on in William Wallace Braveheart warrior style over a base of ice cold water and Duke Cannon Beard Oil.  I rinse with more cold water and dry with a brown towel (no stain issue ?)  After a full strength Thayer's unscented Witch Hazel rubdown, I finish  off with a generous splash of Small Batch Shave Tonic Aftershave with Bourbon.   After this brisk start 
to the day, I'm not to be reckoned with lightly.

Seriously, I really like the M-T Strong N' Scottish; I hope the soap is as fragrant as the cream.

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 08-29-2017, 03:51 AM
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(08-28-2017, 10:39 PM)Sentry Wrote:
(08-26-2017, 04:25 PM)primotenore Wrote: To reiterate. Meißner-Tremonia Strong N' Scottish is a brown cream---which produces a brown lather---which stains white towels. That was a good enough reason for me to rid myself of the product.

Which I gladly acquired from Primo (thank you) and created the " McManly shaving ritual:  Tools:  small cast iron pot, Gillette Red Tip, Wilkinson Light Brigade blade on it's fifth use and a wire brush (just kidding ?) for whipping up fine brown lather using a copious amount of Strong N' Scottish  Brown Cream brushed on in William Wallace Braveheart warrior style over a base of ice cold water and Duke Cannon Beard Oil.  I rinse with more cold water and dry with a brown towel (no stain issue ?)  After a full strength Thayer's unscented Witch Hazel rubdown, I finish  off with a generous splash of Small Batch Shave Tonic Aftershave with Bourbon.   After this brisk start 
to the day, I'm not to be reckoned with lightly.

Seriously, I really like the M-T Strong N' Scottish; I hope the soap is as fragrant as the cream.
Brilliant post.  Clap

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 09-12-2017, 06:21 AM
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I don't think I missed it in here, but I'm surprised no one mentioned B&M Night Music as well. The lather color doesn't bother me but I do use a synthetic brush for the potential discoloration factor. The performance and scents for B&M are outstanding, IMO, so the color of the soap itself doesn't bother me. As someone else mentioned, if anything, I feel like it's a nice change up to the usual white color 99% of the soaps out there have.

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 09-13-2017, 09:56 AM
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We've got a new soap coming out soon that we throttled back the vanilla on for similar reasons. The lather was off-white, but the soap was brown. I was told that many don't like that, so we dialed it back a bit.

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 09-13-2017, 05:51 PM
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Do soaps with clay produce white lather?

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 09-13-2017, 06:06 PM
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(09-13-2017, 05:51 PM)jaxstraww Wrote: Do soaps with clay produce white lather?

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Clay is something that is a bit of a generic or a catch all. I have seen lots of different soaps use things such as rhassoul (ghassoul) Moroccan clay [can be colored red to beige], china clay or kaolin [can be pure white to off white tan], French green clay, bentonite [be it sodium or calcium, it can be grey, beige, tan, brown], etc.

To better address your question, I don't think the clay matters a ton as many of the recipes don't use a lot or enough clay to change the color of the lather. Many of these topics and threads address the fact that the fragrance components influence the lather's color.

The other thing I would say is I accept the fact that some people do not like this or they thing it is too much as for many years we had white soap and/or white shaving soap. Well the market has been steered by customer requests or demands for strong scented shave soaps. Thats where we have things like the brown lather. It happens because you are incorporating something like enjoying the scent of a product that is more functional like soap that you use on your face to shave with.

A bit off topic but although I love a good hard soap, doesn't have to be milled, but I have come to terms with the fact that many artisans currently have soft soaps being made. I think this is because the market has seen the demand for more shave soaps that aid in a certain post shave feel. Brown lather is from people wanting more fragrance in their shave soaps and one factor to so many current shave soaps being soft is because there is more oils, butters and fats in a formulation.

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