08-28-2017, 10:21 AM
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There are not many sightings of these brushes and that is a shame. Made around 2008/09 these preceded the 2 Band Heritage range.
Arguable one of the best 3 band hair ever sourced and masterfully tied to a very dense knot.

The face feel of these brushes has never been copied successfully. Super soft tips in an incredibly dense knot that blooms wonderfully when wet.

I had the pleasure to own a few though parted with all but one Alibaba.

Thanks to a gentleman member of TSN I could finally obtain a Stubby 3 in this marvelous Heritage hair.

For those of you who are lucky to own one - keep them safe!!!   Biggrin

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And a group pic of my former Heritage 3 band brushes (well, the Alibaba 3 I still own).

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 08-28-2017, 11:04 AM
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  • Rufus
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I have a Heritage Emillion 1 3-band super and it's truly a spectacular brush.  If I could only keep one of my 37 brushes it would probably be this one.  Recently, however, I had Brad Sears make me an original-style Alibaba in antique ivory, which Lee Sabini filled with 3-band super badger.  To-day I did a side-by-side comparison of the Emillion and Alibaba by lathering one side of my face with one brush and the other side with the other brush.  Overall there is little discernible difference between the two in terms of face-feel.  The only difference seemed to be in the backbone of which the Alibaba could have a wee tad more.  I say this advisedly though since I've only used the Alibaba 3 times whereas I've used the the Emillion  many times.  As well, the Emillion knot is smaller at  20X48 versus 23-22X48 for the  Alibaba.  Also, the hair of the Alibaba is darker than that of the Emillion.  Lee advises that the Alibaba's 3-band super is not the same as the Emillion's, but I'm hard pressed to tell the difference.

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 08-28-2017, 05:07 PM
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And a "Chubby" with this hair is on sale on BST right now!

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 08-28-2017, 07:05 PM
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So out of curiosity, how would you tell the difference between today's present 3 band heritage Rooney offerings and the more notable ones from the era you are speaking of.

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 08-28-2017, 10:41 PM
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(08-28-2017, 07:05 PM)Safelysimpson Wrote: So out of curiosity, how would you tell the difference between today's present 3 band heritage Rooney offerings and the more notable ones from the era you are speaking of.

I think the newer batch ones are more likely to look inconsistent in the sorting. Thus, maybe some more black tips as well as a bit more hybrid shape as well as bigger bloom. Not necessarily in every case but the older ones seemed to be a bit flatter in fan shape but also much denser in packing.

I'm sure I would like the feeling of that Alibaba considering I enjoyed the Emillion 2. It was a hefty feeling 3 band fan. Very soft but made lather very well on the face.

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 08-29-2017, 03:04 AM
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(08-28-2017, 07:05 PM)Safelysimpson Wrote: So out of curiosity, how would you tell the difference between today's present 3 band heritage Rooney offerings and the more notable ones from the era you are speaking of.

To build on the previous post:
  • Sourcing of the badger hair: today's hair given the demand is more and more an "industry production". Often mediocre hair "dressed up" with chemical treatment to look/feel better. Badger pelts will vary with climate and season and by animal. 
  • Sorting: will make all the difference in separating "bad" hair from "good" hair.
  • Knot construction.
There are worlds between today's Rooney 3 band and the Heritage brushes across all the above variables.

It is sad to see the decline of Rooney (coming with the departure / less interest of Lee Sabini?).Today's Rooney offerings I do not view as premium anymore.

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 08-29-2017, 08:11 PM
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To me the difference jumps right out , the hair looks completely different , knot construction and not to mention the handles have a different hue.

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 08-30-2017, 06:31 AM
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Agreed, these are nothing like currently available three-band offerings.  The only superior three band hair in my opinion is vintage Plisson.  Here are a few from my collection (I think I recognize that the Stubby 3!).  I don't own any of those pictured any more, But I picked up a Style 3 Size 2 Heritage 3 band from the heyday of Rooney.  The density, softness and bloom are just remarkable.  

 

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 08-30-2017, 07:50 AM
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I agree with Nathan.

One day, I hope, I can put my hand on one of those spectacular vintage Plisson. I tried a few current ones and kept none.

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 08-30-2017, 09:06 AM
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Interesting, wasn't sure if there were differences in handles or anything. Your absolutely right about the knots. I remember when Nathan was selling some of these about a year ago and they were just mouth watering goodness. Haven't had the pleasure of trying one of these but maybe an opportunity will present itself down the road

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 08-30-2017, 04:39 PM
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Not to take anything away from this thread but I have always thought if Bernd packed a silvertip knot full of hair and set a decent loft the resulting brush would be comperable or at least the most comperable to one of these offered today.

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 08-31-2017, 06:22 AM
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(08-30-2017, 04:39 PM)ultra~nova Wrote: Not to take anything away from this thread but I have always thought if Bernd packed a silvertip knot full of hair and set a decent loft the resulting brush would be comperable or at least the most comperable to one of these offered today.

Corey, I think that is true as knot construction and loft are concerned. The hair is different though - at least in my mind - from current silvertip offerings in the market.

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 08-31-2017, 06:33 AM
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(08-31-2017, 06:22 AM)German Wrote:
(08-30-2017, 04:39 PM)ultra~nova Wrote: Not to take anything away from this thread but I have always thought if Bernd packed a silvertip knot full of hair and set a decent loft the resulting brush would be comperable or at least the most comperable to one of these offered today.

Corey, I think that is true as knot construction and loft are concerned. The hair is different though - at least in my mind - from current silvertip offerings in the market.

I agree.

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 08-31-2017, 06:40 AM
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Very interesting thread.  Sounds like a very unique (and desirable) period of brushes.

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 08-31-2017, 10:06 AM
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Here are a couple more of these beautiful brushes I've added to my collection but hadn't ever photographed.  You don't seem to find many of the style 1, 2, and 3 handles with heritage three band knots. 
Style 3 Size 2 and a Style 1 Size 3.  

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 08-31-2017, 10:57 AM
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Nathan, the handle material used for the style 1 is quite eye catching. Thanks for sharing Smile

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 08-31-2017, 11:05 AM
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This is a BST posting right???  I'll take the Style 1!

Biggrin Biggrin

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 08-31-2017, 11:20 AM
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(08-31-2017, 11:05 AM)wreck | fish Wrote: This is a BST posting right???  I'll take the Style 1!

Biggrin Biggrin

LOL 
I wish!
Great looking brushes!

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 08-31-2017, 02:57 PM
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Nathan that 13 is a beauty.

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 09-01-2017, 04:50 AM
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My two Rooney's with the old Heritage 3-band hair. Chubby/Stubby Large and Black Horn Medium. 

These are easily the most dense 3-band knots that i have encountered. In terms of 3-band hair, for me it would be old Rooney Heritage, Shavemac D01 3-band, and Simpson super.

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