09-23-2017, 05:25 PM
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For some time I have alternated equally between synthetics and two-band badgers.  I have found that recently, I'm reaching for synthetics more often.  My favorite synthetic is the Chubby 2.  I acquired an Epsilon synthetic, and I've using it for the past three weeks.  My initial plan was to write my thoughts on the Epsilon.  However, the Epsilon and Chubby 2 have similarities, in that they're both larger synthetic knots set to a low loft in a stubby handle.  Thus, it seems that a comparison would be useful.

Here are the two brushes:

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First, we have the tale of the tape, with all measurements being approximate:

Knot Diameter (measured at the top of the handle);
     Epsilon:       26.50mm
     Chubby 2:   28.50mm 

Loft:
     Epsilon:        50mm
     Chubby 2:    52.50mm

Handle Height:
     Epsilon:        47mm       
     Chubby 2:    44mm 

Handle Girth (measured just above the ring):
     Epsilon:      34mm
     Chubby 2:  38mm 

Handle Comparisons

The Epsilon badger brushes received many favorable reviews as to their knots.  However, many guys felt that it's a great knot in a not-so-great handle.  The Epsilon synthetics share the same handle as the badgers, and thus are subject to the same issues with that handle.  This handle is on the small side, and thus not optimal for some guys with medium to large hands.  Although the Epsilon handle is slightly taller than the Chubby 2, it has less girth than the Chubby 2, and for me this makes the Epsilon less ergonomic.  The quality of the resin, and the finish on the handle, are also better on the Chubby 2.  I have to rate the Chubby handle as superior for me.

Knot Comparisons

As much as I like the Chubby 2 synthetic, I recognize that for some guys it's low loft does not allow for sufficient splay.  With a loft of only 50mm, compared to the 52.50mm on the Chubby 2, I was concerned that the Epsilon would not exhibit sufficient splay.  This concern turned out to be unfounded.  The Epsilon splays about as easily as the Chubby 2.  If you find the Chubby 2 has enough splay, you'll probably think the same of the Epsilon.

In terms of softness, I found the Chubby 2 slightly softer than the Epsilon.  I don't know if that's because the Chubby 2 fibers are just softer, or because the Chubby 2 is set to a higher loft.  Whatever the case may be, the Chubby 2 feels softer to me.  

I rate the Chubby 2 and Epsilon about the same in terms of density and backbone.  However, if you like a scrubby brush, the Epsilon's low loft makes it the scrubbiest synthetic I have used.

The Epsilon knot feels noticeably smaller on the face than the Chubby 2.

Conclusion

The Chubby 2 remains my preferred synthetic.  However, I see the Epsilon as one of the better synthetic brushes available and it is priced substantially lower than the Chubby 2.  If you like the density and backbone that the Chubby 2 synthetic provides, you may also like the Epsilon synthetic.  The Epsilon is also a nice travel brush for those who prefer larger synthetic knots, because it's small handle makes it easy to pack.  I will add the Epsilon to my rotation of synthetic brushes.

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 09-24-2017, 12:18 AM
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Great review!
I was looking in to Epsilon synthetic brush myself.  Sounds a bit scrubby for my taste.
I haven't buy Chubby 2 cause of  the dense - low set loft. My current favorite is Fine stout brush, I love this ratio of softness/backbone. How Fine stout compares to Epsilon and Chubby 2?
I would like to find more synthetics in that range 24-28mm knot and 50-55mm loft. Any relevant synthetic brush suggestions ?

thank you,
Petros

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 09-24-2017, 05:37 AM
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Thank you for an outstanding review/comparison Ricardo.  I've wanted a Chubby 2 synthetic for a long time now and this only makes me want it more.  I am leaning towards the second generation with the slightly higher loft.  

I've also found that some of my larger synthetics will hold heat if you soak them like a badger brush.  They don't hold heat as well as a badger, but they do hold some heat, and if you pair them with a scuttle they are great.

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 09-24-2017, 06:24 AM
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Great review Ricardo!  Thanks for putting the time into it.

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 09-24-2017, 06:51 AM
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Ricardo, thanks for the comparison review. I 'd also be interested in knowing your impressions of the above two brushes relative to the ASWs and Maggard Granite brush. When you get a chance would you mind doing that, please? No rush at all needed...

Your past praise for the CH2 synthetic was the push I needed to hop on the synth train. I presently use it for the dozen or so shaves a year I'm away from home and my badger brushes. Honestly, that's pretty much the only interest I currently have in using synthetic brushes. If the Simpsons knot was higher lofted in a more-than-Chubby-ergonomic handle I might perhaps be willing to try another synthetic brush. Maybe.

Thanks again for this thread.

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 09-24-2017, 06:55 AM
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Thank you for your review. The CH2 synthetic is one of my favorite brushes

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 09-24-2017, 09:51 AM
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(09-24-2017, 12:18 AM)2petros Wrote: Great review!
I was looking in to Epsilon synthetic brush myself.  Sounds a bit scrubby for my taste.
I haven't buy Chubby 2 cause of  the dense - low set loft. My current favorite is Fine stout brush, I love this ratio of softness/backbone. How Fine stout compares to Epsilon and Chubby 2?
I would like to find more synthetics in that range 24-28mm knot and 50-55mm loft. Any relevant synthetic brush suggestions ?

thank you,
Petros

I have a fine stout and a C2-synthetic, and they couldn’t be more different. I don’t find the stout to have any appreciable backbone, whereas the C2s does. Splay on the fine is very easy, vs. some work on the C2s. Both brushes work well, but I can load the very dense C2s with much, much more soap. The C2s performs a lot closer to a 2-band badger, which is my preference.

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 09-24-2017, 10:17 AM
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Thank you for the input mike!
I am in a quest for a 26-28mm knot, 52-55mm loft with an easy splay and similar backbone to the Fine stout.
I guess Chubby 2 will be to stiff for my liking or this perfect looking 26mm/50mm Epsilon.

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 09-24-2017, 11:39 AM
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(09-24-2017, 12:18 AM)2petros Wrote: I would like to find more synthetics in that range 24-28mm knot and 50-55mm loft. Any relevant synthetic brush suggestions ?

thank you,
Petros

Petros, one option is the Asylum Brush Works Scanlon, available from BullGoose at https://bullgooseshaving.com/collections...rtip-fiber.  It has a 24mm knot set to a 52mm loft.

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Another option is the Epsilon synthetic recently released by Gifts & Care, https://www.giftsandcare.com/en/155-epsi...ng-brushes.  It's a butterscotch M7 type handle with a 26mm Plisson type knot.  What's distinctive about this offering is that it's available in three loft options - 50, 52 and 54mm.

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 09-24-2017, 11:51 AM
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(09-24-2017, 11:39 AM)TheLegalRazor Wrote:
(09-24-2017, 12:18 AM)2petros Wrote: I would like to find more synthetics in that range 24-28mm knot and 50-55mm loft. Any relevant synthetic brush suggestions ?

thank you,
Petros

Petros, one option is the Asylum Brush Works Scanlon, available from BullGoose at https://bullgooseshaving.com/collections...rtip-fiber.  It has a 24mm knot set to a 52mm loft.

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Another option is the Epsilon synthetic recently released by Gifts & Care, https://www.giftsandcare.com/en/155-epsi...ng-brushes.  It's a butterscotch M7 type handle with a 26mm Plisson type knot.  What's distinctive about this offering is that it's available in three loft options - 50, 52 and 54mm.

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Is the Asylum knot plisson-style fiber as well?

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 09-24-2017, 12:28 PM
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(09-24-2017, 11:51 AM)chazt Wrote: Is the Asylum knot plisson-style fiber as well?

It is not Charlie.  It is closer to the Muhle fiber.

There are some threads on the Asylum synthetics with discussion of the fibers used.  Some guys feel the Asylum fibers resemble the Muhle fibers, but also combine the best of the Muhle and Plisson fibers.

http://shavenook.com/showthread.php?tid=...ht=scanlon

http://shavenook.com/showthread.php?tid=33886

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 09-24-2017, 12:29 PM
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The new Epsilon synthetic recently released by Gifts & Care has the perfect knot/loft ration options, but is a very long handle for my liking. Thanks for posting.

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 09-24-2017, 12:48 PM
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(09-24-2017, 12:29 PM)2petros Wrote: The new Epsilon synthetic recently released by Gifts & Care has the perfect knot/loft ration options, but is a very long handle for my liking. Thanks for posting.

Petros, I don't know if there are other brushes meeting all of your criteria.  You can always purchase a 26/28mm Plisson type or black synthetic knot, and have a custom handle made for it.

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 09-24-2017, 02:43 PM
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I am looking into the following brushes.... any suggestions ?

Stirling Synthetic Shave Brush Pro Handle - 26mm x 54mm
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Supply Silvertip Synthetic Brush 24mm X 54mm
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WSP Synthetic Silvertip Shaving Brush 26mm X 55mm


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 09-24-2017, 03:35 PM
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(09-24-2017, 02:43 PM)2petros Wrote: I am looking into the following brushes.... any suggestions ?

Stirling Synthetic Shave Brush Pro Handle - 26mm x 54mm
[Image: 26x54mm-NEW-synthetic-shave-brush-stirli...00.jpg?c=2]
Supply Silvertip Synthetic Brush 24mm X 54mm
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WSP Synthetic Silvertip Shaving Brush 26mm X 55mm


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I would go for the WSP.

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 09-27-2017, 04:23 AM
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Thank you for the feedback!

PS. I think a  "thank you button" to click  next to reply button would be nice!

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