10-23-2017, 05:15 PM
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  • bullgoose
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In a previous thread, a razor developer mentioned that Machine Shops always try to alter your design in order to achieve a cheaper production cost. This is a problem that I ran up against time and time again when I designed the Asylum Rx and why it took so long to finally produce. In the end, I got what I wanted but, I thought that I would share pictures of what one machine shop wanted to do with the Rx. Needless to say, when I could not get them to budge, I moved onto another shop.

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 10-23-2017, 05:48 PM
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The Asylum Rx would not be the superb razor that it is if you had set out to build the cheapest possible stainless SE razor.  Those who want quality appreciate that you were firm on what you wanted, did not compromise on the design, and did not give in to the machine shop just to reduce production costs.

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 10-23-2017, 06:17 PM
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Caveat; I don't own any AC razors. However I do find the looks of the Rx razor to be unparalleled. It looks sleek, sexy, maneuverable and powerful (the exact opposite of me!). As one who appreciates attractive razors of all varieties I'm glad you stood firm. The resulting Rx razor seems to be held in very high regard as a shaving tool and a work of art by those who own and use it.

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 10-23-2017, 06:28 PM
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Sorry, I don't see the problem with those refinements...am I missing something?  <> and then <>   Biggrin Facepalm

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 10-23-2017, 06:56 PM
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That’s a pretty radical departure. What did they start with as far as design/prototypes?

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 10-23-2017, 07:26 PM
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(10-23-2017, 06:56 PM)mike_the_kraken Wrote: That’s a pretty radical departure. What did they start with as far as design/prototypes?

I had the original drawings made about 4.5 years ago and immediately had a 3D Plastic copy made. We were originally going to make one version for an AC blade and one version for a standard injector blade. As you can see...the drawing and plastic model look very similar to the final version of the Rx. Getting a machine shop that would remain true to the design though was virtually impossible.

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 10-23-2017, 08:59 PM
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Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. 
I hope you saved the blue prints for injector size ... IMO it would definitely be a winner, now we even have Prolines to fit those!

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 10-23-2017, 09:26 PM
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(10-23-2017, 08:59 PM)lloydrm Wrote: Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. 
I hope you saved the blue prints for injector size ... IMO it would definitely be a winner, now we even have Prolines to fit those!

Not only do I have the blue prints, the programming has been done for the CNC machines.

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 10-23-2017, 10:38 PM
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One have to wonder if the machinist who made the "optimised for production" version even shaved... if nothing else it's a very visual demonstration of how things are optimised to reduse machining time and simplify production.

The 3D printed prototype also shows how useful a 3D printer can be for prototyping and for having a model to show when shopping around for a machinist to produce the finished product... even a good machinist can make a better estimate from a model than from a drawing most of the time Smile

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 10-23-2017, 11:16 PM
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Wow, the original prototype & design are extremely close to the final - that’s an achievement in and of itself!
Looking at the machinists renderings, I wonder of they didn’t have the skill to create the RX as envisioned?

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 10-24-2017, 02:26 AM
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Oooo, injector...

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 10-24-2017, 06:58 AM
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(10-24-2017, 02:26 AM)chazt Wrote: Oooo, injector...

I have been on the fence regarding an injector due to limited blade source. If I can get a pipeline to the proline blades, I would be much more interested.

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 10-24-2017, 07:31 AM
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Fwiw and no offense intended, I've been using Chicks from my local pharmacy. They're better for my face than Personnas. Injector shaves are the SE shaves I like best. An Rx injector may be well received...

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 10-24-2017, 07:32 AM
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(10-23-2017, 11:16 PM)mike_the_kraken Wrote: Wow, the original prototype & design are extremely close to the final - that’s an achievement in and of itself!
Looking at the machinists renderings, I wonder of they didn’t have the skill to create the RX as envisioned?

They either did not have the skill or, they were lazy. There was one machine shop in Los Angeles that makes intricate parts for NASA. They said that it could not be machined. The funny thing is that I used the product engineer that they recommended when I started the project. I may have been born during the day but, I was not born yesterday.

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 10-24-2017, 12:41 PM
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Do you even shave bro? Sounds like a great t shirt opportunity. Good thing someone stuck to the original , that enhanced version is not particularly easy on the eyes.

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 10-24-2017, 01:08 PM
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(10-24-2017, 07:31 AM)chazt Wrote: Fwiw and no offense intended, I've been using Chicks from my local pharmacy. They're better for my face than Personnas. Injector shaves are the SE shaves I like best. An Rx injector may be well received...
Perhaps. If I could source the Chicks and the Proline blades, I'd be very interested in making the Rx Injector

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 10-24-2017, 01:50 PM
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(10-24-2017, 01:08 PM)bullgoose Wrote:
(10-24-2017, 07:31 AM)chazt Wrote: Fwiw and no offense intended, I've been using Chicks from my local pharmacy. They're better for my face than Personnas. Injector shaves are the SE shaves I like best. An Rx injector may be well received...
Perhaps. If I could source the Chicks and the Proline blades, I'd be very interested in making the Rx Injector
I'm gonna start saving my shekels.

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 10-24-2017, 03:54 PM
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 10-26-2017, 05:48 AM
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(10-23-2017, 11:16 PM)mike_the_kraken Wrote: Wow, the original prototype & design are extremely close to the final - that’s an achievement in and of itself!
Looking at the machinists renderings, I wonder of they didn’t have the skill to create the RX as envisioned?

I'll second Mike's comments.  I've had limited experience with machine shops; but I have often found it challenging to get suppliers to conform to my specifications even going back to the bad old days when I ran IT groups.  In some cases, alterations were suggested, I believe, based on skill level or for cost/profitability reasons.  In others, we got into some heated arguments when the supplier insisted they knew better.  Sometimes they were right (but they had to prove it beyond reasonable doubt.)  But in others, I am convinced it was passive aggression based on the "not invented here' syndrome.

Regardless, congrats one sticking to your guns and bringing out a fine product!

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 10-27-2017, 08:13 PM
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Can you shave with those plastic models? Were they 3D printed?

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