12-10-2017, 06:19 AM
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If you had asked me 4 weeks ago, I would have told you that the ATT SE1 mated with the Feather Pro Blade was the perfect razor for me.  Not the most aggressive razor, but with a great balance between aggressiveness and smoothness/efficiency.

I have a cupboard full of vintage GEM razors and when the Blackland Sabre L2 was introduced I took the opportunity to buy a modern stainless GEM razor.  I used the L2 for several weeks uninterrupted and then last week went back to the SE1.  Here is my review:

Let me start at the end of the review.  I could happily marry either one of these razors for a lifetime of wonderful shaving.  They are both that good.  Let me also say that for a person with a wiry beard and sensitive skin, I believe that a rigid SE blade, GEM or AC,  provides a more comfortable shave and is less irritating to the skin than a thin and floppy DE blade.  I am done with DE razors.

My typical shave is a WTG pass followed by an XTG pass.  With that I get an almost perfect shave.  

1.  The SE1 is a bit more aggressive than the L2.  Not by much, mind you, but the first pass gets more of my beard with the SE1 than with the L2.  There is also more audible feedback with the SE1 than with the L2.  Pop,Pop,Pop go the hairs as they get mowed down.

2.  The L2 is incredibly efficient and smooth.  Hairs get mowed down effortlessly.  Less blade feel than with the SE1.  Even if the SE1 does a better job on the first pass, both razors give an identically great shave after 2 passes.  I would add that even if the SE1 is more aggressive, since the L2 gives an identically good 2 pass shave,  the L2 must be more efficient.  Also, because the SE1 is a little more aggressive than the L2, I have to be more aware of shave angle and blade edge.  The L2 is so smooth that I can scoot around my face without worry.  The L2 is really a fun razor to use.

So there you have it.  Two Great Razors.  I don't think that a buyer could go wrong with either one.  Pick your Poison:  The slightly more aggressive ATT SE1 or the smoother/more efficient Blackland Sabre L2.  

I will keep both. BUT, if I were forced to choose, I would take the Blackland Sabre L2.  Just too much fun to pass up.

We are in the Golden Age of Single Edge Razors with great product on the market and other great razors in the pipeline.

Enjoy

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 12-10-2017, 07:09 AM
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How do you compare the Schick Proline blade to the Feather Pro?

I only use the the SE1 with the Proline blade. I find the Proline to be equal to the GEM SS PTFE blade in performance and smoothness. The Feather Pro pales in comparison.

As a head shaver, the Feather Pro is not sharp enough to BBS my head, while the Proline does it with ease.

Thanks for the comparison!

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 12-10-2017, 07:35 AM
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I'll have to try again but right now I would say the Schick Proline gets much more praise than it deserves.

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 12-10-2017, 07:38 AM
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(12-10-2017, 07:09 AM)rabidus Wrote: How do you compare the Schick Proline blade to the Feather Pro?

I only use the the SE1 with the Proline blade. I find the Proline to be equal to the GEM SS PTFE blade in performance and smoothness. The Feather Pro pales in comparison.

As a head shaver, the Feather Pro is not sharp enough to BBS my head, while the Proline does it with ease.

Thanks for the comparison!


I have never used the Proline.  I have read great things about it, just never gotten around to it.  The Captain Kai Mild was OK.  I disliked the Feather Pro Guard - I found it to be rough on my face.  The Feather Pro works well for me.

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 12-10-2017, 07:46 AM
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Nice review. Interesting assessment. 
Did you try an L1? If so, where would it sit on your comparison?

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 12-10-2017, 07:55 AM
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Nice review! L2 is awesome


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 12-10-2017, 09:03 AM
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(12-10-2017, 07:46 AM)lloydrm Wrote: Nice review. Interesting assessment. 
Did you try an L1? If so, where would it sit on your comparison?


Never tried the L1.  In terms of classic GEM razors, the L2 cuts as well as the ClogPruf, but it really feels like a Bullet on my face.  It is very smooth and deceptively efficient.

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 12-10-2017, 09:21 AM
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(12-10-2017, 07:46 AM)lloydrm Wrote: Nice review. Interesting assessment. 
Did you try an L1? If so, where would it sit on your comparison?

I was loaned the L1 and it was on par with a GEM G Bar or Push button for me! Too mild for me.

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 12-10-2017, 10:03 AM
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Great review! 

I agree, Sabre is a definitive game changer. I've sold all my DE including Wolfman, I only keep Timeless Bronze and some Vintages .

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 12-10-2017, 10:48 AM
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(12-10-2017, 07:35 AM)Nero Wrote: I'll have to try again but right now I would say the Schick Proline gets much more praise than it deserves.

The praise from me is well deserved!

There was so much hype about AC razors, when I tried one for the first time, it was a big let down. I rate the Feather Pro a little better than a paint scrapper from the hardware store, horrible. The Kai Mild PINK is better and usable for me. If it wasn't for the Schick Proline, I wouldn't be using AC razors at all. I tried a fresh Kai Mild PINK again in my SE1 and was able to BBS my face, took more strokes though. I had to abort the head shave, it felt like my stubble was being ripped from my scalp, no exaggeration! The Feather Pro is worse. I put in a fresh Proline and finished up with a smooth comfortable BBS dome.

A member on another forum heard my cries and told me about the Schick Proline and where to get them.


I tried the Feather Pro and Pro Super is the Hawk V1, El Jefe, and General. The Pro Super was more blade feel of the same poor results.

I gave the Hawk away. The Schick Proline made the General and El Jefe come alive. I only use AC razors now, particularly the SE1. The El Jefe and MR SE are great but I keep reaching for the ATT SE1.

The Schick Proline is the only blade I can use, it's very efficient, way more than Feather and Kai.

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 12-10-2017, 11:57 AM
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Interesting. I only have L1. Thanks for your (enabling) comments.

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 12-10-2017, 11:59 AM
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I have a few AC razors and the only blade that is "ok" is the feather pro.
I  will have check out the schick proline

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 12-10-2017, 12:00 PM
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Just had a perfect shave in two passes (WTG-XTG) with the L2. Almost BBS without doing ATG and without nicks, weepers, irritation...

L2 is awesomeness.


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 12-10-2017, 01:31 PM
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(12-10-2017, 10:48 AM)rabidus Wrote:
(12-10-2017, 07:35 AM)Nero Wrote: I'll have to try again but right now I would say the Schick Proline gets much more praise than it deserves.

The praise from me is well deserved!

There was so much hype about AC razors, when I tried one for the first time, it was a big let down. I rate the Feather Pro a little better than a paint scrapper from the hardware store, horrible. The Kai Mild PINK is better and usable for me. If it wasn't for the Schick Proline, I wouldn't be using AC razors at all. I tried a fresh Kai Mild PINK again in my SE1 and was able to BBS my face, took more strokes though. I had to abort the head shave, it felt like my stubble was being ripped from my scalp, no exaggeration! The Feather Pro is worse. I put in a fresh Proline and finished up with a smooth comfortable BBS dome.

A member on another forum heard my cries and told me about the Schick Proline and where to get them.


I tried the Feather Pro and Pro Super is the Hawk V1, El Jefe, and General. The Pro Super was more blade feel of the same poor results.

I gave the Hawk away. The Schick Proline made the General and El Jefe come alive. I only use AC razors now, particularly the SE1. The El Jefe and MR SE are great but I keep reaching for the ATT SE1.

The Schick Proline is the only blade I can use, it's very efficient, way more than Feather and Kai.


I'll keep an open mind.
btw, I'm not saying it's utterly terrible... it is just not close to my ideal perfect blade...

I hope it's better than my most recent shaves with it...
Honestly, I think the shave feels similar to with the current Schick injector blades (chick), totally coincidentally. Not a fan of those. Useable, but not my target.

Furthermore, I'm not really a huge fan of even my fave SE blade. I wish there were more blade options in SE.

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 12-10-2017, 04:48 PM
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(12-10-2017, 01:31 PM)Nero Wrote: Honestly, I think the shave feels similar to with the current Schick injector blades (chick), totally coincidentally. Not a fan of those. Useable, but not my target.

Ahh...

The key to the Schick blades is the lightest pressure. The weight of the razor is probably too much pressure!

Wield the razor as you would a fine paint brush putting the finishing touches on a project. Completely control the razor like putting a needle on a record.

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 12-11-2017, 02:12 PM
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I just finished doing a comparison of four AC format razors with two shave each from a Schick ProLine, Feather Pro and Kai Captain Titan mild. The razors were my brass General with a spiral handle, a V1 aluminum Hawk, a V2 aluminum Black Hawk and the ATT SE1.

There was a noticeable difference in the razors, the SE1 was way more comfortable and efficient than any of the others, the V1 Black Hawk and General pretty much the same and the V1 Hawk not quite as efficient or comfortable as the other three.

There wasn't as much difference in the blades though and in fact they were all close enough that whatever is on sale might be the deciding factor.

Colonial General Brass WCS Brass Spiral handle.

Schick Proline blade: fairly comfortable and good efficiency.

Proline shave #2: Fairly comfortable but lost attention and sliced my lower lip trying a Gillette Slide.

Feather AC: comfortable and good efficiency. Can’t tell much if any difference.

Feather AC #2: repeat of Feather #1.  I certainly can’t tell much if any difference at least in the General.

Kai Captain Titan Mild: another great near perfect PDG+ shave. Maybe just slightly more touchup needed.

Kai AC #2: Near perfect PDG+ shave and maybe the most comfortable of this set.
 
RazoRock aluminum Hawk V1.

Schick Proline blade: kinda comfortable and efficient but more touchup than with the General.

Schick Proline blade #2: really tugging and pulling. 4 shaves is about the limit for this blade. Retired.

Feather AC: comfortable and very efficient, almost no post alum touchup needed.

Feather AC #2: comfortable and maybe even more comfortable and efficient than yesterday.  Minimal touchup and PDG+ near perfect shave.

Kai Captain Titan Mild: very comfortable.  Slightly more post alum touchup.

Kai AC #2: tugging & pulling.  Blade is about shot.  Like the Proline seems a short life.
 
RazoRock aluminum Black Hawk V2.

Schick Proline blade: more comfortable and efficient than the V1 and about the same as the General.

Schick Proline blade #2: good shave, near perfect and the V2 does get to under nose and upper lip better than V1. This was shave two on the ProLine blade.

Feather AC: End result was a near perfect PDG+ shave and this is shave five on the blade. Starting to pull and tug though. Will change blades.

Feather AC #2: New Feather blade.  Very comfortable shave and even less touchup needed than with the ProLine.

Kai Captain Titan Mild: New Kai blade.  Very comfortable shave, near perfect PDG+ two pass with minimal touchup. More comfortable than the Feather but slightly more touchup needed.

Kai AC #2: Much like the first shave with this blade but just maybe slightly more efficient on the second use.
 
Above the Tie SE1.

Schick Proline blade: Third shave on this blade. Absolutely wonderful shave; comfortable, efficient, two pass with minimal touchup and certainly the best AC format shave I’ve ever had. This razor really stands out above any of the three others in terms of comfort and efficiency so far.

Schick Proline blade #2: Today’s shave remined me of the little girl who had a little curl…just as with earlier experience of the Schick ProLine blade, when it is good it is very very good but when it is bad it is horrid. Today the blade simply would not cut any hair. It was pulling and tugging and very Shakespearian; fully of sound and fury but doing nothing.  A new blade solved the problem, but it seems that three shaves are about the limit on a Schick AC format ProLine blade.

Feather AC: Shave two on this blade.  Fast, efficient and comfortable PDG+ near perfect two pass and touchup shave.  The SE1 really surprises me.  It’s head and solders above the Brass General which was my most pleasant AC format razor.

Feather AC #2: Another really nice two pass PDG shave with minimal touchup. This razor really seems to work well with the Feather blades.

Kai Captain Titan Mild: Third save on this blade and efficiency is down.  It is still giving me a PDG+ near perfect shave but with more touchup.

Kai AC #2: Another nice shave.  Still very comfortable but needed two full passes and then lots of touchup.  Seems four shaves per blade will be the norm.

I also did a similar comparison between the ATT G1 and my Saber L1 & L2 with somewhat similar results. 

All three gave me a near perfect two pass & touchup PDG+ shave with carbon blades or Stainless or PTFE stainless. There it was the blades than made the biggest difference. The carbon blades had a life of maybe two shaves while the two stainless just seemed ready to go on forever. In the razors though it really came down to what the user likes; those that like to feel the steel will love the Saber L2 and those who do not like to feel the steel will like the other two.

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 12-11-2017, 02:24 PM
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(12-11-2017, 02:12 PM)jar Wrote: I just finished doing a comparison of four AC format razors with two shave each from a Schick ProLine, Feather Pro and Kai Captain Titan mild. The razors were my brass General with a spiral handle, a V1 aluminum Hawk, a V2 aluminum Black Hawk and the ATT SE1.

There was a noticeable difference in the razors, the SE1 was way more comfortable and efficient than any of the others, the V1 Black Hawk and General pretty much the same and the V1 Hawk not quite as efficient or comfortable as the other three.

There wasn't as much difference in the blades though and in fact they were all close enough that whatever is on sale might be the deciding factor.

Colonial General Brass WCS Brass Spiral handle.

Schick Proline blade: fairly comfortable and good efficiency.

Proline shave #2: Fairly comfortable but lost attention and sliced my lower lip trying a Gillette Slide.

Feather AC: comfortable and good efficiency. Can’t tell much if any difference.

Feather AC #2: repeat of Feather #1.  I certainly can’t tell much if any difference at least in the General.

Kai Captain Titan Mild: another great near perfect PDG+ shave. Maybe just slightly more touchup needed.

Kai AC #2: Near perfect PDG+ shave and maybe the most comfortable of this set.
 
RazoRock aluminum Hawk V1.

Schick Proline blade: kinda comfortable and efficient but more touchup than with the General.

Schick Proline blade #2: really tugging and pulling. 4 shaves is about the limit for this blade. Retired.

Feather AC: comfortable and very efficient, almost no post alum touchup needed.

Feather AC #2: comfortable and maybe even more comfortable and efficient than yesterday.  Minimal touchup and PDG+ near perfect shave.

Kai Captain Titan Mild: very comfortable.  Slightly more post alum touchup.

Kai AC #2: tugging & pulling.  Blade is about shot.  Like the Proline seems a short life.
 
RazoRock aluminum Black Hawk V2.

Schick Proline blade: more comfortable and efficient than the V1 and about the same as the General.

Schick Proline blade #2: good shave, near perfect and the V2 does get to under nose and upper lip better than V1. This was shave two on the ProLine blade.

Feather AC: End result was a near perfect PDG+ shave and this is shave five on the blade. Starting to pull and tug though. Will change blades.

Feather AC #2: New Feather blade.  Very comfortable shave and even less touchup needed than with the ProLine.

Kai Captain Titan Mild: New Kai blade.  Very comfortable shave, near perfect PDG+ two pass with minimal touchup. More comfortable than the Feather but slightly more touchup needed.

Kai AC #2: Much like the first shave with this blade but just maybe slightly more efficient on the second use.
 
Above the Tie SE1.

Schick Proline blade: Third shave on this blade. Absolutely wonderful shave; comfortable, efficient, two pass with minimal touchup and certainly the best AC format shave I’ve ever had. This razor really stands out above any of the three others in terms of comfort and efficiency so far.

Schick Proline blade #2: Today’s shave remined me of the little girl who had a little curl…just as with earlier experience of the Schick ProLine blade, when it is good it is very very good but when it is bad it is horrid. Today the blade simply would not cut any hair. It was pulling and tugging and very Shakespearian; fully of sound and fury but doing nothing.  A new blade solved the problem, but it seems that three shaves are about the limit on a Schick AC format ProLine blade.

Feather AC: Shave two on this blade.  Fast, efficient and comfortable PDG+ near perfect two pass and touchup shave.  The SE1 really surprises me.  It’s head and solders above the Brass General which was my most pleasant AC format razor.

Feather AC #2: Another really nice two pass PDG shave with minimal touchup. This razor really seems to work well with the Feather blades.

Kai Captain Titan Mild: Third save on this blade and efficiency is down.  It is still giving me a PDG+ near perfect shave but with more touchup.

Kai AC #2: Another nice shave.  Still very comfortable but needed two full passes and then lots of touchup.  Seems four shaves per blade will be the norm.

I also did a similar comparison between the ATT G1 and my Saber L1 & L2 with somewhat similar results. 

All three gave me a near perfect two pass & touchup PDG+ shave with carbon blades or Stainless or PTFE stainless. There it was the blades than made the biggest difference. The carbon blades had a life of maybe two shaves while the two stainless just seemed ready to go on forever. In the razors though it really came down to what the user likes; those that like to feel the steel will love the Saber L2 and those who do not like to feel the steel will like the other two.

Nice write up! The ATT SE1/Schick Proline is my favorite by a long shot. I flip the blade over after every shave, I can easily get two weeks from a Proline. I've always flipped SE blades since I flipped DE blades and could easily get 60 daily shaves from one!

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 12-11-2017, 07:04 PM
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To follow up on my original post:

How would you compare the ATT SE1 to the Saber L2?

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 12-11-2017, 07:12 PM
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(12-11-2017, 07:04 PM)rodmonster Wrote: @Jar

To follow up on my original post:

How would you compare the ATT SE1 to the Saber L2?

I have to start by pointing out I prefer GEM format razors over all AC format razors. So I would choose the L1 plate then the G1 then L2 then the AC format razors.

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