02-02-2018, 05:25 AM
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(02-01-2018, 08:17 PM)Galhatz Wrote: I have high loft pro (48 in gold) and don't care much for it.
It works just fine but it I find it splays too much when pressed, mediocre backbone.
Holding it like an Italian barber and chocke the knot with the fingers makes sense for a barber but not for me. To staft with, I don't like getting my hand full of lather. A barber can't shave all his clients the same way, and some wouldn't like a strong scrub, so the brush needs to be somewhat adjustable.

The Proraso Pro, which is an Omega Pro with a short loft is my favorite brush period. The shorter loft makes everything right: good backbone, controlled splay - perfect. 

Another two interesting options:
Connaught Shaving occasionally commissions a special order from Omega called Premium. The current one is very nice. The bristles are very fine, finer than usual for Omega, set very low in a classy lathe turbed handle, so the backbone is definitely there.

Zenith Big Scrubby, similar fine bristles, short loft in a nice Aluminum handle. It is very nice, great for creams. Mine took a long time to stop shedding, and it still loses a hair every now and then.

The Proraso Pro has the strongest backbone. I only face lather.

I just looked up the size of the Proraso Pro brush and it is almost the same size as the Omega 21762 (Italian Flag) brush. the Proraso Pro has a 65mm loft with a 28mm knot. The Omega 21762 has a 64mm loft with a 27mm knot. The Omega 21762 comes with a solid resin handle. Much better. 

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 02-02-2018, 05:47 AM
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(02-01-2018, 09:00 PM)773badger Wrote: I concur on the proraso.  I can’t find a better boar and I keep trying


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Maybe you should try the Omega 21762 Italian Flag brush. It is made with a much better handle. 

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 02-02-2018, 05:47 AM
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(02-02-2018, 05:47 AM)shave/brush Wrote:
(02-01-2018, 09:00 PM)773badger Wrote: I concur on the proraso.  I can’t find a better boar and I keep trying


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Maybe you should try the Omega 21762 Italian Flag brush. It is made with a much better handle. 

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Is the loft the same as the proraso one? If so I’m in


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 02-02-2018, 06:25 AM
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(02-02-2018, 05:47 AM)773badger Wrote:
(02-02-2018, 05:47 AM)shave/brush Wrote:
(02-01-2018, 09:00 PM)773badger Wrote: I concur on the proraso.  I can’t find a better boar and I keep trying


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Maybe you should try the Omega 21762 Italian Flag brush. It is made with a much better handle. 

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Is the loft the same as the proraso one?  If so I’m in


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See my post #21. The Omega 21762 has a 64mm loft the Proraso has a 65mm. I would call that the same considering you are getting a much better handle for your money.

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 02-02-2018, 07:14 AM
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The Proraso is not 65. Probably 57.
Each website has its own quirky measurements because Omega doesn't publish exact specs.
The picture shows the Proraso next to a 48 for reference.

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 02-02-2018, 08:02 AM
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(02-02-2018, 07:14 AM)Galhatz Wrote: The Proraso is not 65. Probably 57.
Each website has its own quirky measurements because Omega doesn't publish exact specs.
The picture shows the Proraso next to a 48 for reference.

I just looked and it's hard to find exact specs for the Proraso Pro but either way the Omega 21762 is a much better deal with the solid resin handle rather than cheap plastic. 

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 02-02-2018, 08:14 AM
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(01-31-2018, 05:30 PM)shave/brush Wrote:
(01-31-2018, 04:57 PM)Pomfretsteve Wrote: I’ve got one and my issue is not that it can’t be used for face lathering, it can... however after soaking for days on end multiple times and palm lathering everyday for literally 4 months it still is the most prickly brush I’ve ever used, it’s loaded with extra thick black hairs... I’ve got around 10 boar brushes and this one is by far the least comfortable. I’m assuming it’s this particular bristle on this brush as I’ve heard others say they are luxurious...

That's odd because someone on another forum said this brush (Omega 21762) has the finest boar hair of any brush he has seen.

I've heard that quite a bit and I stated that initially, that's why I bought the brush in the first place, I had high hopes... Imagine my disappointment... I'm chocking it up to a bad batch of bristle, it happens.  It can however be used for face lathering IMO.

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 02-02-2018, 08:39 AM
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Even 57mm is a bit too high loft for face-lathering. My opinion is based on experience with Zenith B03-A26.

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 02-02-2018, 08:48 AM
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Of all the many threads I have read on boar brushes, it seems the Semogue 610 or 620 are the most popular for face lathering. They have a short loft.

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 02-02-2018, 11:37 AM
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(02-02-2018, 08:39 AM)feston Wrote: Even 57mm is a bit too high loft for face-lathering. My opinion is based on experience with Zenith B03-A26.

Zenith Bristles are very fine and soft. Omega bristles are thicker. The Proraso Pro has much better backbone than the Zenith Short Scrubby even though the latter has a shorter loft.

(02-02-2018, 08:48 AM)shave/brush Wrote: Of all the many threads I have read on boar brushes, it seems the Semogue 610 or 620 are the most popular for face lathering. They have a short loft.

I have the 620 (as well as the 1800 and 1305).
In my opinion they are popular because Semogue is (miss)perceived as "higher end".
The 620 started as very very stiff, but after not that many usages it became too soft and it's splay is out out of control and less focused than the Proraso Pro.
Everything is relative, right? Semogue is an amazing upgrade over the crappy Van Der Haggen brush you get at your local supermarket, and I think this is why Semogue is so popular. 
Also, Omega has a lot of brushes with a cheap plastic handle.
But the 620, on top of the Semogue bristles that once they are broken in loose all backbone, also has a 22mm knot to boot.


I hardly ever use that brush anymore. The experience with it is simply not on par with the Proraso Pro.

If a nice handle is what you want, think about the Omega Premium now offered by Connaught. It is solid resin, lathe turned, looks very fancy and it has a good Omega knot, with finer softer bristles than the Pro brushes. I am still breaking mine in.
The Proraso Pro, has a cheap handle, but I like the ergonomics better (and it is by far more comfortable than the 620/830 style handles).

If the 27mm knot is too much, also consider the Omega 11126. Nice wooden handle, as nice as Semogue's, "standard" 24mm knot with about 55mm loft. Plenty of backbone and controlled splay, and once broken in - fantastic soft tips.

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 02-02-2018, 05:24 PM
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I am not familiar with the Omega Premium offered by Connaught. It sounds like it might be a nice brush. The Omega Italian Flag brush is quite impressive for the price and quality of the bristles.

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 02-02-2018, 05:32 PM
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Gentlemen, here is the best of both worlds:  A new Proraso Pro knot transplanted into a superb BSB-1 solid aluminum handle by TSN's own Dr. Dulcamara.  

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 02-02-2018, 06:20 PM
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(02-02-2018, 05:32 PM)TheLegalRazor Wrote: Gentlemen, here is the best of both worlds:  A new Proraso Pro knot transplanted into a superb BSB-1 solid aluminum handle by TSN's own Dr. Dulcamara.  

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Very nice. It looks like a big knot.

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 02-02-2018, 07:02 PM
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(02-02-2018, 06:20 PM)shave/brush Wrote:
(02-02-2018, 05:32 PM)TheLegalRazoryy Wrote: Gentlemen, here is the best of both worlds:  A new Proraso Pro knot transplanted into a superb BSB-1 solid aluminum handle by TSN's own Dr. Dulcamara.  

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Very nice. It looks like a big knot.

Ron, it's about a 26mm knot, which is similar to the Omega 48, 49 or Italian flag brushes.  However,  the lower loft of the Omega Pro adds more backbone.

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 02-02-2018, 07:14 PM
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Now that's class!

I bought my Proraso Pro in a supermarket in Italy for 4.5 euros... I should have bought a few more for the knots. I have a Rubberset 400 handle I restored a few years ago that is still waiting for the right knot.

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 02-12-2018, 12:36 AM
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I have both the omega italian flag and Semogue Soc.
İtalian flag is one of the good brushes of Omega especially the handle is really beautiful and heavy, but Semegue hair quality is in a different league for me. My advice will be for you to buy a Semogue Soc Boar

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 02-12-2018, 05:41 AM
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(02-12-2018, 12:36 AM)dikdik_s Wrote: I have both the omega italian flag and Semogue Soc.
İtalian flag is one of the good brushes of Omega especially the handle is really beautiful and heavy, but Semegue hair quality is in a different league for me. My advice will be for you to buy a Semogue Soc Boar

Someone said here that the Omega brush, Italian flag, has special quality bristles. Very light in color and very fine. Do you think the SOC has better bristles than the Omega?


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 02-13-2018, 05:32 PM
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I use the 10098 for face lathering every other shave. (My other brush is the 10049.) Just bought this one -- couldn't resist!

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 02-13-2018, 07:54 PM
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(02-13-2018, 05:32 PM)Viseguy Wrote: I use the 10098 for face lathering every other shave. (My other brush is the 10049.) Just bought this one -- couldn't resist!

You bought the Omega 21762 Italian Flag? Good for you. Now you're going to make me buy one.

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 02-15-2018, 12:39 PM
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I signed up just to reply to this thread.

I recently went on a tear and bought a _lot_ of boar brushes. I'm primarily a face latherer and can give you feedback on your initial question

1. if you really like the looks of the Omega 21762, go ahead and buy it. It's loft is a bit high and it is a little bit floppy, but still capable of use for face lathering. The acrylic handle is also extremely attractive and ergonomic in use. I just don't find myself reaching for it as much

2. If however, you aren't swayed too much by the handle and are just looking for a pro sized boar from Omega, then consider the following

2a. Omega 20106 - almost as tall in loft as the 21762, but not as floppy and doesn't splay as much. Once broken in, extremely soft and pleasant in use. The lather from this one seems to end up getting more aerated than with others, but an extremely good lather nonetheless
2b. Omega 10098 - Recommended earlier in this post by someone. Highly effective in use for face lathering, extremely pleasant on the face. I just find the handle shape not very ergonomic. I wouldn't say I have very large hands, but still I don't like the slim portion at the end
2c. Omega 20107/50107 - I'm not sure what the distinction or difference is between these two, but they are both magnificent and offer just the right amount of backbone. These are the ones I find myself reaching for most regularly
2d. Omega 20102 - Sort of in between the 2/50107 and the 21762 in firmness. An excellent brush, but I prefer the 2/50107

3. If you aren't looking for a pro boar, but are open to other options, then Omega has a lot of 24mm sized knots represented most faithfully by the Omega 11137 or the Omega 10066/10065 family.
These are fabulously soft after break-in and also offer the right amount of backbone. They produce enough lather for 3 or 4 passes, but don't absolutely chew through soaps as the pro models do

Also, since someone earlier in this thread mentioned that their 21762 felt pokey after many uses and wet/dry cycles, I feel it is worth mentioning the fast break-in method first popularized by a gentleman from the SF Bay Area on Youtube. Put your brush in a glass of water, leave it in the fridge overnight, then dry it on a clean dry towel and leave it to dry for another 12 to 24 hours. Repeat once or twice more as necessary or as you prefer.

I can testify that this process is almost magic in breaking in a new boar brush

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