03-16-2018, 09:17 AM
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I have a couple of Vie-Long horse hair brushes with the metal and wood handles.  One is black hair, and the other is brown.  I've found that horse hair is a good balance between badger and boar, with the softness of badger complemented by the stiffness of boar.  The bristles also hold water exceptionally well, and provide a good lather.  I've noted that it's best to really paint the lather on in side-to-side, up-and-down motions, as opposed to circular ones.  Maybe it's because of the length of the hairs.  What's your opinion?

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 03-16-2018, 10:18 AM
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I have one Vie-Long Epsilon horse hair brush and have only used it a few times. I prefer circular motions and if I use the horse hair like that, it just gets in a big knot so I just don’t reach for it. Definitely need to using it in a painting motion.


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 03-16-2018, 11:21 AM
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I got three Vie Long in my rotation - a #12705B white, a #13051M tan, and a #14033 mixed horse-badger. All of them wonderful brushes that have taken all the abuse I've thrown at them so far.

Swirling in circular works well for me, however it's worth noting that all of my brushes are fairly small; 50-55mm loft and 21-22mm knot. I can see how a taller brush might get tangled.

I do have to say though, that a good horse hair brush is something everyone ought to try before dismissing them... they are in my experience unlike yet similar to both badger and boar.

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 03-17-2018, 01:29 AM
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I have two horse Vie Longs: a white el zurito and brown Epsilon.
I don't use them very often, the white being a tad on the floppy side and the epsilon handle shape not of my liking.
On the other hand, they knots are very good, soft, and produce wonderful lather.
The Epslion is actually excellent.
I only do circular lathering  - no issues with tangling but maybe i don't use them enough to cause damage.
I think the Epsilon is dense enough for it not to be an issue.

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 03-17-2018, 04:10 PM
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Yeah, mine are the 4212 and the 4312, both with metal and wood handles.  I kind of prefer the 4212 that has the black horse hair, especially with my Taylor's cream.  Right now, until I get my lathering bowl, I'm using the 4312 with my Van Der Hagen deluxe puck and Old Spice mug.

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 03-17-2018, 06:05 PM
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(03-17-2018, 04:10 PM)Michael_W Wrote: Yeah, mine are the 4212 and the 4312, both with metal and wood handles.  I kind of prefer the 4212 that has the black horse hair, especially with my Taylor's cream.  Right now, until I get my lathering bowl, I'm using the 4312 with my Van Der Hagen deluxe puck and Old Spice mug.

I have a Vie Long white horsehair that I use occasionally with conservative circular motions. No tangling problems so far. Another thing I do with this brush is use a comb after it is dry.

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 03-18-2018, 04:51 AM
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I only have four horse hair brushes, two Vie-Long, a Zenith and one with an knot of uncertain parentage in a custom Jayaruh handle but have not yet found any "cons".

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The Zenith did shed bristles the first few times I used it but that stopped about the fifth shave IIRC.

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 03-19-2018, 04:41 AM
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Yeah, I've found that shedding is minimal.  With my Van Der Hagen boar brush, it was constantly losing bristles even after months of use.  I finally gave it and the apothecary shaving mug it came with to a friend to get him into wet shaving.  Next time I get some money, I'll send away for a lathering bowl and another tub of Taylor's, since I like to keep well stocked.  Anyway, the only problem with my 4312 is that it came with a crack in the wood that, if not properly monitored and cared for, will likely necessitate a new brush.  It still works beautifully, though.  For some reason I find that it builds and holds lather much better than my badger and boar brushes did.

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 03-19-2018, 10:27 AM
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Never warmed to my Vie-Long 50/50 mane/tail horse. I liked the handle though, so I re-knotted it with a TGN 2-band finest. Now I have a brush I like very much.

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 03-19-2018, 10:49 AM
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(03-19-2018, 10:27 AM)Rufus Wrote: Never warmed to my Vie-Long 50/50 mane/tail horse.  I liked the handle though, so I re-knotted it with a TGN 2-band finest.  Now I have a brush I like very much.

Bryan - Which model did you have?

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 03-19-2018, 11:13 AM
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Had a great shave with the epsilon today... I think I am going to use it more often.
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 03-19-2018, 11:49 AM
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It's worth keeping in mind that the mixture of mane and tail can dramatically alter the properties of a horse hair brush. Common blends seems to be 50/50 and 60/40; in general the higher the percentage of mane, the softer the brush - and the more tail you got, the more backbone do the brush have.

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 03-19-2018, 12:12 PM
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(03-19-2018, 11:49 AM)WegianWarrior Wrote: It's worth keeping in mind that the mixture of mane and tail can dramatically alter the properties of a horse hair brush. Common blends seems to be 50/50 and 60/40; in general the higher the percentage of mane, the softer the brush - and the more tail you got, the more backbone do the brush have.

Yeah, I think my Cremo-brand Vie-Long that I PIFed had a ratio of 65-35 mane-to-tail, making for a softer brush indeed.  I liked it a lot, but it was just too small for my hands.

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 03-19-2018, 12:14 PM
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(03-19-2018, 10:49 AM)Ramsay Wrote:
(03-19-2018, 10:27 AM)Rufus Wrote: Never warmed to my Vie-Long 50/50 mane/tail horse.  I liked the handle though, so I re-knotted it with a TGN 2-band finest.  Now I have a brush I like very much.

Bryan - Which model did you have?

It’s the 13065 with faux ivory handle. The knot 50% mane and 50% tail. I bought it from Gifts & Care.

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 03-23-2018, 08:23 AM
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I use mine occasionally, but it's generally not soft enough for my tastes.

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 04-09-2018, 11:59 AM
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My very first brush was a horse hair. That was many years ago, about 30. I did not like it. It was too floppy. I ended up replacing it with a cheap badger brush.

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