03-26-2018, 08:44 PM
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    What are some shaving soap and cream brands that have been around for a very long time and are still available new today that still have there original ingredients formula intact, unchanged and unaltered even from long ago?   
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 03-26-2018, 09:30 PM
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If I remember correctly I read that Cella ingredients in the 1 kilo form remains the same since it was made. The Cella in the little red tub has the same ingredients but added tetrasodium EDTA a few years ago.



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 03-27-2018, 05:36 AM
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It's not always easy to determine what you want because labeling requirements have changed over the years. For example, I have a brick of Cella that doesn't list almond oil though it undoubtedly contains it because it will turn brownish at room temperature in a few months, but others have identical bricks that list almond oil. Martin de Candre now lists sodium chloride (salt) as an ingredient when it did not before, and they're listing the perfume ingredients separately after 'parfum:', rather than just parfum.

If you want to find soaps that adhere to the spirit of what you're wanting, I'd look for a soap with a short list of ingredients like MdC (been around since the '70s IIRC, 40+ years), or maybe Cella, ABC cream or hard soap. the other choice is to simply buy vintage soap like vintage Williams, etc.

Cheers, Steve

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 03-27-2018, 07:29 AM
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MWF (Mitchell’s Wool Fat) soap claims to adhere to the original 1930’s formula.

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 03-27-2018, 08:42 AM
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Trumpers soaps..... oh wait, nevermind, no they didn't.
But Penhaligon's did... actually no, they didn't either.

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 03-27-2018, 12:26 PM
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(03-27-2018, 05:36 AM)Steve56 Wrote: It's not always easy to determine what you want because labeling requirements have changed over the years. For example, I have a brick of Cella that doesn't list almond oil though it undoubtedly contains it because it will turn brownish at room temperature in a few months, but others have identical bricks that list almond oil. Martin de Candre now lists sodium chloride (salt) as an ingredient when it did not before, and they're listing the perfume ingredients separately after 'parfum:', rather than just parfum.

If you want to find soaps that adhere to the spirit of what you're wanting, I'd look for a soap with a short list of ingredients like MdC (been around since the '70s IIRC, 40+ years), or maybe Cella, ABC cream or hard soap. the other choice is to simply buy vintage soap like vintage Williams, etc.

Cheers, Steve
Interesting what you say about the cella brick soap. If or when it turns brown is it ok to still use it or does this mean that it has gone bad?



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 03-27-2018, 12:32 PM
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I've also had the same experience with my Cella brick. I avoid using soaps with almond/ marzipan scent and stopped using it for that reason.

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 03-27-2018, 09:00 PM
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Manufacturers always do reformulate their soaps and creams because of the restrictions on certain ingredients or simplify the manufacturing process. Some ingredients are being replaced, SLS for example used in most shampoos have switch to sodium lauroyl sarcosinate.

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 03-28-2018, 06:56 AM
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(03-27-2018, 08:42 AM)Nero Wrote: Trumpers soaps..... oh wait, nevermind, no they didn't.
But Penhaligon's did... actually no, they didn't either.

That's funny right there!

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 03-28-2018, 08:10 AM
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It's fine to use. I keep my Cella brick in the fridge and it hasn't turned after years. ABC will turn a bit too over time so it resides there too.

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 03-28-2018, 08:15 AM
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(03-28-2018, 06:56 AM)Lipripper60 Wrote:
(03-27-2018, 08:42 AM)Nero Wrote: Trumpers soaps..... oh wait, nevermind, no they didn't.
But Penhaligon's did... actually no, they didn't either.

That's funny right there!
Just doing my part to help make sure that's never forgotten. Civic duties.

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 03-28-2018, 10:36 AM
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(03-28-2018, 08:10 AM)Steve56 Wrote: It's fine to use. I keep my Cella brick  in the fridge and it hasn't turned after years.  ABC will turn a bit too over time so it resides there too.

Cheers, Steve

Very good to know! Thank you Steve!



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 03-28-2018, 11:52 AM
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No one knows. Soapmakers may source different suppliers for their bases and raw ingredients, change frangrance oils, water ratios etc. I would hazard to guess a big fat zero since the 30's. Especially with new EU and US laws on banning certain ingredients to produce scents and laws limiting percentages of ingredients to reduce irritation and skin sensitivity. This and a plethora more to me ensures no soap that has been around for decades is of it's original formulation when it was first introduced.

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 03-28-2018, 05:12 PM
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what about tabac?

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 03-28-2018, 06:06 PM
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(03-28-2018, 05:12 PM)razorshines Wrote: what about tabac?

Doubt it. It came out in 1963 and EU laws on cosmetic ingredients and fragrance limits/bans came out way after that, so I would assume they tweaked the formulation to meet those regulations. Still a fantastic soap and a daily driver for me. Not all change leads to a degradation in quality

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 03-29-2018, 05:51 AM
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Tabac's ingredients list changed just a couple years ago when the logo on the mug was also updated.

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 03-29-2018, 07:51 PM
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(03-29-2018, 05:51 AM)Nero Wrote: Tabac's ingredients list changed just a couple years ago when the logo on the mug was also updated.

What exactly was changed on on Tabac's logo?

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 03-30-2018, 05:56 AM
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Old on left. Current on right. [Image: 0aa14b04fa730836ad31ef5fe427b7cc.jpg]

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 03-30-2018, 05:21 PM
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Thank goodness they keep innovating and improving. I like modern things.

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