09-19-2018, 05:34 PM
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  • Teiste
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 09-19-2018, 05:59 PM
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Interesting.  I thought badgers were trapped and killed in the wild, but the article says they are farmed.  I saw the PETA video, and it says badgers are trapped alive, then kept in cages before being killed.  I don't know whether the video accurately portrays the prevailing practices in the industry.

AoS brushes are seriously overpriced.  I imagine they'll now sell overpriced synthetics.

Thanks for sharing.

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 09-19-2018, 06:19 PM
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(09-19-2018, 05:59 PM)TheLegalRazor Wrote: Interesting.  I thought badgers were trapped and killed in the wild, but the article says they are farmed.  I saw the PETA video, and it says badgers are trapped alive, then kept in cages before being killed.  I don't know whether the video accurately portrays the prevailing practices in the industry.

AoS brushes are seriously overpriced.  I imagine they'll now sell overpriced synthetics.

Thanks for sharing.

Thats whats going to happen.I think P&G doesnt care about badgers but about profits.They know that they can make even bigger profits selling synthetic brushes (cheaper to make) than badger.The prices would be the same but the profits much bigger.

Is all about the money , not the badgers "safety"

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 09-19-2018, 06:58 PM
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Despite what some fools say on obscure forums, the badgers will make their way to us

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 09-19-2018, 07:27 PM
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ALL Art of Shaving hardware whether it is brushes or razors or otherwise is seriously overpriced.  AOS may take credit for starting my shaving gear addiction but after that first mid sized travel kit with a small badger brush, pre shave oil, shave cream and post shave balm I have not spent a dime at AOS other than to buy a tub of the Sandalwood cream when the small little travel container went dry.

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 09-19-2018, 08:24 PM
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While I support humane treatment of animals, I would agree with @Teste and more publicity and less prevention of animal cruelty.  One obvious answer for P&G was to inspect the source of badger hair for shaving brushes.  

I can hardly contain myself waiting for the newly developed P&G/AoS synthetic brush and biodegradable shaving cartridges.

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 09-19-2018, 09:59 PM
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Frankly I don't trust a thing PETA says. Their tactics of how they promote their cause take away any reason to think of them as serious or as credible. 

I'm along the lines of seeing this as being a way for AoS to increase their profit margins more than anything.

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 09-20-2018, 02:09 AM
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Procter & Gamble (Gillette, AOS) has no interest in promoting traditional wet shaving.  They've decided at the corporate level that there is no money in traditional wet shaving anymore, because without any remaining patents on DE or SE razors or blades, there's no money in it for them.  For that reason, they don't care two whits about shaving brushes.  They'd rather you just gave up on the whole brush idea and buy their canned shaving cream.

So of course when activist make a fuss, it's an easy decision in the P&G boardroom.  Keep getting mau-mau'd by activists at every annual meeting or stop selling something that is contrary to their corporate strategy anyway and look like socially responsible heros?  There's no one screaming at them demanding badger brushes.  So...  No brainer.

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 09-20-2018, 03:14 AM
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(09-20-2018, 02:09 AM)BrickHud Wrote: Procter & Gamble (Gillette, AOS) has no interest in promoting traditional wet shaving.  They've decided at the corporate level that there is no money in traditional wet shaving anymore, because without any remaining patents on DE or SE razors or blades, there's no money in it for them.  For that reason, they don't care two whits about shaving brushes.  They'd rather you just gave up on the whole brush idea and buy their canned shaving cream.

So of course when activist make a fuss, it's an easy decision in the P&G boardroom.  Keep getting mau-mau'd by activists at every annual meeting or stop selling something that is contrary to their corporate strategy anyway and look like socially responsible heros?  There's no one screaming at them demanding badger brushes.  So...  No brainer.
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 09-20-2018, 05:05 AM
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The fact is, this change does not effect 99% of us wet shavers. So...who cares? I don't.

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 09-20-2018, 07:17 AM
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(09-20-2018, 05:05 AM)primotenore Wrote: The fact is, this change does not effect 99% of us wet shavers. So...who cares? I don't.

I think you low balled that estimate Biggrin

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 09-20-2018, 08:22 AM
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(09-20-2018, 07:17 AM)chazt Wrote:
(09-20-2018, 05:05 AM)primotenore Wrote: The fact is, this change does not effect 99% of us wet shavers. So...who cares? I don't.

I think you low balled that estimate Biggrin

I thought I had, sorry about that Charlie ha ha

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 09-20-2018, 09:02 AM
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When I first started carrying Art of Shaving, they required that I initially stock everything. I still have some brushes left from that initial order 4 or 5 years ago.

I love the AOS software but their switch to synthetic brushes will not impact me at all.

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 09-20-2018, 10:56 AM
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Never bought anything from them anyway, so no big deal.  Besides, companies don't make such decisions based on ethics.  Money was most likely the root cause of this decision.

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 09-20-2018, 11:18 AM
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They've steadily been declining their quality. At least they used to sell Plisson brushes.

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 09-20-2018, 02:16 PM
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(09-20-2018, 10:56 AM)Preacher Wrote: Never bought anything from them anyway, so no big deal.  Besides, companies don't make such decisions based on ethics.  Money was most likely the root cause of this decision.

Is all about the money , they couldnt care less about badgers

I call both of the AoS stores in Utah and neither of the representatives knew anything about this switch to synthetic badgers.I asked them if they have received any memo from HQ but they told me no , no memos yet and they were kind of doubting about if that would ever happen...well , we shall see.

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 09-20-2018, 03:27 PM
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(09-20-2018, 08:22 AM)primotenore Wrote:
(09-20-2018, 07:17 AM)chazt Wrote:
(09-20-2018, 05:05 AM)primotenore Wrote: The fact is, this change does not effect 99% of us wet shavers. So...who cares? I don't.

I think you low balled that estimate Biggrin

I thought I had, sorry about that Charlie ha ha

No worries, Joseph. It was an honest mistake Wink. And I should know ‘cause I make plenty. I know this because my family likes to point ‘em out. Keeps me on my toes.

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 09-20-2018, 04:16 PM
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(09-19-2018, 06:58 PM)garyg Wrote: Despite what some fools say on obscure forums, the badgers will make their way to us

Interesting take.

What forums are you making obscure references to?

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 09-20-2018, 04:26 PM
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(09-20-2018, 03:27 PM)chazt Wrote:
(09-20-2018, 08:22 AM)primotenore Wrote:
(09-20-2018, 07:17 AM)chazt Wrote: I think you low balled that estimate Biggrin

I thought I had, sorry about that Charlie ha ha

No worries, Joseph. It was an honest mistake Wink. And I should know ‘cause I make plenty. I know this because my family likes to point ‘em out. Keeps me on my toes.
Biggrin

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 10-09-2018, 06:23 PM
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Good riddance!!  While AoS makes some decent soaps and creams, their hardware is some of the most overpriced shaving gear I have seen.  They got me good 5 years ago before I knew anything about wet shaving.  Paid big $$$ for a silvertip brush that you could easily find something similar or even better for $100 cheaper.  If that wasn't bad enough, the damn thing shed like crazy.

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