09-09-2012, 05:54 PM
#1
User Info
I have an Ever-Ready 200T ready for a Golden Nib knot (see below) and an Ever-Ready 300PBT in the mail (same as the restore below). The 200T has a 23.2mm opening, and the 300PBT is much smaller at under 18mm.

I've never had a finest knot, but figure one of these ought to get one. For silvertip badger knots, I prefer smaller knots, usually 20mm or less, because I don't like the thing to bloom out too much. For a finest, the backbone is attractive, but hopefully the tips will be really soft.

So my questions: For the 200T, is a 23.2mm opening too much for a 20mm finest knot? I expect so, so how are the 22mm finest knots as far as bloom? Same as silvertip?

For the 300PBT, would an 18mm finest be too thin? Would I be better off going with 20mm? As far as "scritch," are larger finest knots less scritchy than smaller ones?

Thanks for your advice, gents!

Dave

       

7 138
Reply
 09-09-2012, 06:02 PM
#2
User Info
Finest doesn't bloom very much and even less so as the TGN knots are terribly well packed with hair. IME.

9 2,988
Reply
 09-09-2012, 06:36 PM
#3
User Info
So maybe a 22mm for the 200T or a 20mm for the 300PBT.

Dave

7 138
Reply
 09-09-2012, 07:47 PM
#4
User Info
(09-09-2012, 06:36 PM)DavidB Wrote: So maybe a 22mm for the 200T or a 20mm for the 300PBT.

Dave

I would use the same size plug as hole. Perhaps even drill a larger diameter to get a larger knot.

9 2,988
Reply
 09-09-2012, 08:05 PM
#5
User Info
Are larger finest knots better performers (e.g., better balance between backbone and softness of tips) or is the difference just one's size preference?

Dave

7 138
Reply
 09-09-2012, 08:07 PM
#6
User Info
They're just larger diameter and consequently have more hair. I wouldn't say they are better, but the more hair, the more soap & water it holds.

That said, brushes back in the day were tiny like the Classic 1 & Rooney 1/1

9 2,988
Reply
 09-09-2012, 08:09 PM
#7
User Info
With silvertips, you often select a knot one size smaller than the hole, because the glue blobs out a bit above the plug. With finest knots is it the same size as the hole?

Dave

7 138
Reply
 09-09-2012, 08:45 PM
#8
  • Teiste
  • Moderator Emeritus
  • Salt Lake City,UT
User Info
I would go for the 20 mm knot,bulb shaped and leave it with a 52 mm loft.

86 7,123
Reply
 09-09-2012, 10:36 PM
#9
User Info
(09-09-2012, 08:09 PM)DavidB Wrote: With silvertips, you often select a knot one size smaller than the hole, because the glue blobs out a bit above the plug. With finest knots is it the same size as the hole?

Dave

I would return the knot if it bulges more than the plug as it is technically defective. But that's just me.

9 2,988
Reply
 09-10-2012, 04:57 AM
#10
User Info
I've restored several brushes with TGN Finest knots, both bulb and fan. Here's a pre and post bloom 22 mm set at 50 mm loft.


The knots tend to run .5 to 1 mm smaller than labeled. A 22 mm knot will actually be closer to 21. If there's enough material in the handle, I always try to enlarge the hole a few mms with a dremel and use the next size larger knot (I'd try to fit a 24 mm in a 22 handle, the plug can be sanded to make it fit). A knot smaller than the opening in the handle will bloom more.

There should never be any epoxy oozing out after the knot has been seated. If there is; too much epoxy! Just in case, put masking tape on the handle and around the knot to protect them from overage. Have a q-tip with solvent ready for clean-up.

Finest fans bloom more than bulbs. I control the bloom and perceived backbone with loft. For me, a 22 mm Finest is perfect at 50 mm. Anywhere between 48-52 is fine.

Vanessa at TGN is available by phone and will be very helpful. If you buy something that doesn't look right when you get it, they'll be happy to make an exchange. Exellent service.

These are just my opinions based upon my experience. Best of luck to you and let us know how it goes.

Attached Files Image(s)
       

2 202
Reply
 09-10-2012, 06:27 AM
#11
User Info
Thanks, I appreciate the advice and the helpful pics (nice work!). Re: glue, I was referring to the glue within the knot itself. An 18mm TGN silvertip grade A knot was actually 20mm up maybe 10-12mm from the bottom of the plug, which is where I set it.

It looks from your pic that finest don't bloom quite as much as some on the silvertips I have. So I'll go slightly larger than I normally would.

Dave

7 138
Reply
 09-10-2012, 11:11 AM
#12
User Info
Ah, I think that what you're calling the glue, I call the plug or base. They vary but including the base, the knot heights are from 60 mm to 67 mm. They make a short loft version also.

The deeper in the handle you set the knot, the less it is going to bloom. The further up the shaft of the hair the neck of the handle is, the more it restricts the blooming. For example; the 22 mm Finest bulb is 65 mm X 22 mm. 10 mm of height is glue plug. Drilling the hole 15 mm deep leaves you with 50 mm of loft (10 mm of plug and 5 mm of hair in the handle) and not too much splay or "bloom."

A 20 mm Finest is only 60 mm tall so for a 50 mm loft, less hair is in the handle hence more bloom.

I hope this makes sense since I've already confused myself!

2 202
Reply
 09-10-2012, 11:36 AM
#13
User Info
(09-10-2012, 11:11 AM)Grande Wrote: Ah, I think that what you're calling the glue, I call the plug or base. They vary but including the base, the knot heights are from 60 mm to 67 mm. They make a short loft version also.

The deeper in the handle you set the knot, the less it is going to bloom. The further up the shaft of the hair the neck of the handle is, the more it restricts the blooming. For example; the 22 mm Finest bulb is 65 mm X 22 mm. 10 mm of height is glue plug. Drilling the hole 15 mm deep leaves you with 50 mm of loft (10 mm of plug and 5 mm of hair in the handle) and not too much splay or "bloom."

A 20 mm Finest is only 60 mm tall so for a 50 mm loft, less hair is in the handle hence more bloom.

I hope this makes sense since I've already confused myself!

Yep, makes good sense, thanks!

Dave

(09-09-2012, 08:45 PM)Teiste Wrote: I would go for the 20 mm knot,bulb shaped and leave it with a 52 mm loft.

Thanks, Teiste. 20mm for the blue/cream handle w/23.2 mm opening, or for the red/black handle (and enlarge as needed)? I assume the latter.

Dave

7 138
Reply
 09-10-2012, 12:30 PM
#14
User Info
(09-10-2012, 11:11 AM)Grande Wrote: Ah, I think that what you're calling the glue, I call the plug or base. They vary but including the base, the knot heights are from 60 mm to 67 mm. They make a short loft version also.

The plug is the plastic part at the very bottom of the knot.

The hard stuff above the plug is the dried glue holding the hair in place. It doesn't have a technical name, but the nook has taken to calling it the "glue bump" coined by someone else.

9 2,988
Reply
Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)