11-03-2018, 04:36 AM
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There’s been a release of New old stock Rooney’s on the dreaded auction site. I reached out to the vendor who said they came from an out of business men’s boutique. He didn’t have much information on them other than he thinks they’re a few years old. There are serial numbers on the box’s. Perhaps some one here knows how old they really are or could they be from the heritage days?

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 11-03-2018, 07:09 AM
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They are some of the newer Rooney stock and not the heritage stock of old to my eye , good knots but certainly not the magical three bands that are referred to as the heritage three band.


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 11-03-2018, 07:19 AM
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(11-03-2018, 07:09 AM)ultra~nova Wrote: They are some of the newer Rooney stock and not the heritage stock of old to my eye , good knots but certainly not the magical three bands that are referred to as the heritage three band.


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I agree. But the horn-handled brush is interesting. I have three of those: a Rooney w/ Super Badger and two M&F Blondes. Could be wrong, but I wouldn't guess those handles were turned over the past few years. The chatter marks look right; however, I've never seen one of the horn handles with a bottom like the one on eBay.

I called Lee and sent him a link. He said he'd take a look, but I haven't heard back yet.

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 11-03-2018, 07:30 AM
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I agree Ken , interested to hear what Lee has to say about that one.


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 11-03-2018, 08:44 AM
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I just caught up with Lee as he was going out the door.  He said he'd only had a quick look at these brushes, but his very quick assessment is that they might very well be NOS (the shapes and imprinting, etc. look right to him), but to his knowledge Rooney hasn't released any new brushes under their name for the past 12 months or so.  (Rather, they've been making brushes for others.)  That said:  he told me he expects to see one of the gals tonight who still works at Rooney's to get the low down.  In the meantime, I've reached out to the seller for more information.

Stay tuned.

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 11-03-2018, 08:51 AM
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If I were to guess these were produced 3-5 years ago , as Ken mentioned the horn brush looks interesting.


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 11-03-2018, 08:57 AM
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(11-03-2018, 08:51 AM)ultra~nova Wrote: If I were to guess these were produced 3-5 years ago , as Ken mentioned the horn brush looks interesting.

Me too. And I'd suppose the age of the handles/labels wouldn't necessarily reveal that of the knots. It might be helpful if the labels on the boxes were clearly shown.

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 11-03-2018, 09:50 AM
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As the owner of a NOS Rooney, purchased a few months ago, mine IS NOT THAT GREAT....Not bad, just not great.
I would do a link to my older post, but I don't know how... Confused

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 11-03-2018, 09:51 AM
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(11-03-2018, 09:50 AM)zipper Wrote: As the owner of a NOS Rooney, purchased a few months ago, mine IS NOT THAT GREAT....Not bad, just not great.
I would do a link to my older post, but I don't know how... Confused

Not all NOS is created equal.

I picked up several from Classic Shaving's "Private" NOS Rooney sales back in 2012 (can't remember if there was also one in 2013). They were the Real Thing.

Some more light on provenance would be helpful.

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 11-03-2018, 10:16 AM
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I'm no expert....but if that horn handle brush is a fake...it's one of the nicest fakes I've ever seen.

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 11-03-2018, 10:24 AM
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(11-03-2018, 10:16 AM)Steelman Wrote: I'm no expert....but if that horn handle brush is a fake...it's one of the nicest fakes I've ever seen.

It's not a fake. The chatter marks are almost like fingerprints. I think it's also significant that the pad-printed label is worn. But if I had to guess, I'd say the handle probably had some issue at the base (e.g., a crack), which was repaired, who knows when. The big question for me would be when/where/by whom/with what hair the knot was 1) made and 2) installed. It looks pretty full. Not great symmetry, though.

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 11-03-2018, 11:39 AM
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Apparently, these are not the brushes I was thinking of.

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 11-03-2018, 11:55 AM
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Those chatter marks look like what I've seen of that exact brush. Out of them all, that is the one that is most interesting to me. He has a few others of interest too. Surprised the Thiers brushes didn't sell. From my understanding, those without the metal collars were made by Rooney.

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 11-03-2018, 11:58 AM
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The TI brushes were variable just as Rooney brushes were , depending on when they were made, some were ultra soft and luxurious , some were scritchy.


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 11-03-2018, 12:11 PM
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(11-03-2018, 11:58 AM)ultra~nova Wrote: The TI brushes were variable just as Rooney brushes were , depending on when they were made, some were ultra soft and luxurious , some were scritchy.


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I have one that is ultra soft, and these look comparable to what I have in terms of visual look. At the price they are well poised to be snapped up. They're the two gems in his stock considering value to price, imo. The Horn Rooney looks to be a sleeper that you'll have to pay a bit more for. As for the other Rooney's I wouldn't touch them as they're not the old 3-band Heritage stuff. The boxes then never had bar codes on them, and it was later those bar codes were added when 3-band in Heritage handles came back. I have an Emillion 2 that was made more recently that I do enjoy, but those old 3-band Heritage brushes were stuffed wonderfully and the hair quality just isn't like the old 3-band Heritage hair. This can be a plus as some of the Heritage were insanely stuffed and flow was terrible.

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 11-03-2018, 12:26 PM
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This is what you want your Rooney’s to look like.

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 11-03-2018, 12:52 PM
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There appears to be two differing sets of Rooney brushes available - some from the UK and some from the US.

One of the guys who frequents the UK forums has purchased one of the UK Rooney’s and received a similar story from the vendor (a shop closing in SW England) when he asked him.

The brush he received looks to be legit (or an extremely good fake) from the pictures he showed me and he indicated that the brush performed well when he used it.

On the face of it, it would appear that the UK brushes might well be the real deal (I can’t be 100% sure, of course).


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 11-03-2018, 01:55 PM
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I bought this one brush from that seller off the bay.

According to ES website, they used to stock rooney brushes prior to 2010.

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 11-03-2018, 01:57 PM
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(11-03-2018, 01:55 PM)isendono Wrote: [Image: PWGZW2E.jpg]I bought this one brush from that seller off the bay.


That certainly helps confirm the original source of the brush.

Did you buy it from the seller in the UK or the US?


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 11-03-2018, 02:01 PM
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The script logo brushes are from the same era as I believe the brushes listed to be.


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