11-03-2018, 02:02 PM
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From the UK seller.

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 11-03-2018, 05:03 PM
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(11-03-2018, 10:16 AM)Steelman Wrote: I'm no expert....but if that horn handle brush is a fake...it's one of the nicest fakes I've ever seen.

enough of an expert for me.  love horn handles

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 11-03-2018, 06:26 PM
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The horn brush has the same marks as one in John/@churchilllafemme's collection. https://damnfineshave.com/thread-what-sb...#pid215695. I'm pretty sure he got his from a reputable seller. I have a black horn version of the brush. Very dense but soft hair. The hair in mine is definitely older 3-band heritage. It does not have the scrub that was common in the later batches.

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 11-03-2018, 06:32 PM
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(11-03-2018, 06:26 PM)shevek Wrote: The horn brush has the same marks as one in John/@churchilllafemme's collection. https://damnfineshave.com/thread-what-sb...#pid215695. I'm pretty sure he got his from a reputable seller. I have a black horn version of the brush. Very dense but soft hair. The hair in mine is definitely older 3-band heritage. It does not have the scrub that was common in the later batches.


These knots look more in line with the script era. The center band flowing all the way up to just a tiny portion of a white tip is very telling of this time period.


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 11-03-2018, 07:01 PM
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(11-03-2018, 06:32 PM)ultra~nova Wrote:
(11-03-2018, 06:26 PM)shevek Wrote: The horn brush has the same marks as one in John/@churchilllafemme's collection. https://damnfineshave.com/thread-what-sb...#pid215695. I'm pretty sure he got his from a reputable seller. I have a black horn version of the brush. Very dense but soft hair. The hair in mine is definitely older 3-band heritage. It does not have the scrub that was common in the later batches.


These knots look more in line with the script era. The center band flowing all the way up to just a tiny portion of a white tip is very telling of this time period.


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I agree that the Faux Ivory Heritage brushes look like from the script era, but the Horn could be older. There was a small run of these in blonde and black horn back around 2009 I believe and I don't remember seeing a Rooney release of these since. I could be wrong of course.

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 11-03-2018, 07:17 PM
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(11-03-2018, 07:01 PM)shevek Wrote:
(11-03-2018, 06:32 PM)ultra~nova Wrote:
(11-03-2018, 06:26 PM)shevek Wrote: The horn brush has the same marks as one in John/@churchilllafemme's collection. https://damnfineshave.com/thread-what-sb...#pid215695. I'm pretty sure he got his from a reputable seller. I have a black horn version of the brush. Very dense but soft hair. The hair in mine is definitely older 3-band heritage. It does not have the scrub that was common in the later batches.


These knots look more in line with the script era. The center band flowing all the way up to just a tiny portion of a white tip is very telling of this time period.


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I agree that the Faux Ivory Heritage brushes look like from the script era, but the Horn could be older. There was a small run of these in blonde and black horn back around 2009 I believe and I don't remember seeing a Rooney release of these since. I could be wrong of course.


No I believe your right going back through I do remember this release I’m just having a hard time remembering these knots because they do not resemble the heritage three bands.


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 11-04-2018, 04:35 AM
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I surmise that these brushes came from that Wet Shaving retailer from California that went out of business that was the only one that carried MdC.  I think it was called Old Towne Shaving.

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 11-04-2018, 05:47 AM
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Following !


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 11-04-2018, 06:27 AM
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I don't think they are fake. Just NOS, in the years to come, a case or two may turn up from a warehouse or small shop someplace. I've seen a place on ETSY, E-Bay with a load of 
Verrry old Plisson  NOS brushes. Only thing they look good for is the handle.

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 11-04-2018, 05:08 PM
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(11-04-2018, 04:35 AM)discerningbev Wrote: I surmise that these brushes came from that Wet Shaving retailer from California that went out of business that was the only one that carried MdC.  I think it was called Old Towne Shaving.

I think you're probably right.

(11-04-2018, 06:27 AM)zipper Wrote: I don't think they are fake. Just NOS, in the years to come, a case or two may turn up from a warehouse or small shop someplace. I've seen a place on ETSY, E-Bay with a load of 
Verrry old Plisson  NOS brushes. Only thing they look good for is the handle.

I might have have been unclear and invited misunderstanding in a couple places.

I don't have much doubt about the brushes on eBay being real Rooneys as distinguished from unauthorized knock-offs. For one thing, it wouldn't make much sense for a copier to do all that would be necessary to produce just a few handles with the apparent level of fidelity these possess. 

I called Lee because I thought he might notice some detail(s) in the listings that would allow him to identify roughly when the brushes were made, not whether they were likely fake. 

When I referred to the NOS Rooneys that were offered by Classic Shaving in 2012 as the real thing (I think I said something like that), I meant that they represented the quality of brushes that gave rise to Rooney's reputation when Lee was in control (like Mexican Coke -- made with cane sugar -- is the real thing for me). I don't know hard dates, but would say that was sometime prior to 2013. 

It looks like the horn-handled brush was sold. I hope it shows up on the boards. Photos of my Rooney like the one in the eBay listing are shown below. I also have two M&Fs that are very close to it in size and shape, but distinguishable.


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And here are photos of one of the several NOS Rooneys I have that came from Classic Shaving's NOS sales. The first one is just how it looked when I pulled it from the cabinet this afternoon. I hadn't touched it in over a year. The second shot was taken immediately after I gave it a very quick lather and rinse with no soaking. I should have waited for an hour or two. It has continued to bloom.

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 11-04-2018, 05:11 PM
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Beautiful brushes Ken, the finest three bands ever produced in my opinion.


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 11-04-2018, 07:26 PM
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Wow... fantastic knots on those Ken!

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 11-05-2018, 04:52 AM
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If were showing off our Rooney's  Wink I only have two, but this one's knot is amazing.
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 11-05-2018, 05:09 AM
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(11-05-2018, 04:52 AM)primotenore Wrote: If we're showing off our Rooney's....

I really didn't intend to carry this thread off-topic. My purpose was to show a couple old Rooneys (the horn-handled brush I'd referenced previously and one of the Classic Shaving NOS Rooneys) for comparison to those listed on eBay. With the possible exception of the one in horn, I personally don't think the brushes referenced in the OP are on a par with those Classic Shaving offered in 2012, which isn't to say the brushes on eBay are "fake" or otherwise not worth the listed prices (although they wouldn't be to me).

That said, nice brush!

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 11-05-2018, 07:19 AM
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Great Thread guys! Thank you for sharing your insight.

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 11-05-2018, 08:04 AM
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(11-05-2018, 07:19 AM)cdude62 Wrote: Great Thread guys! Thank you for sharing your insight.

Great community service OP!

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 11-05-2018, 10:02 AM
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These Rooneys have been showing up intermittently from several different sellers on ebay over the past months. 

I purchased one awhile ago (from a different seller) and found it to be decent. The handle and knot were well constructed, but the hair just wasn't that great--kinda skritchy. I would put it below Simpson super and best grades.  That is certainly not to say that the brushes under current discussion couldn't be different, but I would imagine most of the recently found Rooneys would possess similar qualities.

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 11-05-2018, 06:36 PM
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(11-04-2018, 04:35 AM)discerningbev Wrote: I surmise that these brushes came from that Wet Shaving retailer from California that went out of business that was the only one that carried MdC.  I think it was called Old Towne Shaving.
I can tell you with certainty that Damon Strathatos did not have any Rooney brushes left over in his store as I went to Old Towne Shaving during the big sale looking specifically for old stock Rooney heritage brushes and there were none.

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 11-05-2018, 06:56 PM
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(11-05-2018, 06:36 PM)Crag Wrote:
(11-04-2018, 04:35 AM)discerningbev Wrote: I surmise that these brushes came from that Wet Shaving retailer from California that went out of business that was the only one that carried MdC.  I think it was called Old Towne Shaving.
I can tell you with certainty that Damon Strathatos did not have any Rooney brushes left over in his store as I went to Old Towne Shaving during the big sale looking specifically for old stock Rooney heritage brushes and there were none.

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When did you go in? I don't remember when it was exactly, but I saw some closely similar Rooneys on the Stats website back around April/May of this year. I was tempted by an Emillion, but didn't pull the trigger. Something seemed a little off about the brushes. And I don't mean to suggest they weren't legit, just not on a par with older Rooneys.

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 11-05-2018, 07:22 PM
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(11-05-2018, 06:36 PM)Crag Wrote:
(11-04-2018, 04:35 AM)discerningbev Wrote: I surmise that these brushes came from that Wet Shaving retailer from California that went out of business that was the only one that carried MdC.  I think it was called Old Towne Shaving.
I can tell you with certainty that Damon Strathatos did not have any Rooney brushes left over in his store as I went to Old Towne Shaving during the big sale looking specifically for old stock Rooney heritage brushes and there were none.

As far as stock, OTS only stocked the super badger (most recent production) 3 band Super Rooney (Bold labeling). I don't think OTS ever had any old stock Rooneys in true heritage 3 band super. The Classic Shaving stock consisted of the really great Rooneys and the script logo Rooneys which were in Silvertip and Pure grade. I think Jim was able to directly deal with Rooney and/or Lee but most of the US stockests of Rooney get them from a North American distributor.

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