05-09-2019, 12:23 PM
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Gents,

Hello! I have and use an RS-10 with the mild and aggressive baseplate. I also have a Charcoal Goods Razor with the Level-1 and Level-2 baseplate.

My opinion solely on performance is that the RS-10 mild baseplate gives a better, more comfortable shave than the Charcoal Goods Level-1 baseplate.

However, the Charcoal Goods Level-2 baseplate gives a more efficient and comfortable shave than the RS-10 aggressive baseplate.

So for me, the RS-10 with mild baseplate is neck and neck with the Charcoal Goods razor with a Level-2 baseplate!

What are your thoughts on which one works better for you?

Vr

Matt

PS. I have an unused CG razor head with a Level-1 Open Comb baseplate...I am going to use it next week, and my whole position might be turned on it’s head!

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 05-09-2019, 01:37 PM
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Matt, I've been using a RS-10 for several months, predominantly with the mild plate as it better suits my daily shaving routine.
I actually received a CG Lvl2 in copper this morning which I intend to first use in the morning. 
I'll let you know my thoughts afterwards.

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 05-09-2019, 02:01 PM
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(05-09-2019, 01:37 PM)Optometrist Wrote: Matt, I've been using a RS-10 for several months, predominantly with the mild plate as it better suits my daily shaving routine.
I actually received a CG Lvl2 in copper this morning which I intend to first use in the morning. 
I'll let you know my thoughts afterwards.

Yes! Same boat...I just received my copper level-2 last week! I will be interested to hear your take!

Vr

Matt

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 05-09-2019, 05:29 PM
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I have the RS10 in SS and Ti , I have the CG Level 1 in SS the level 2 in copper the level 3 in brass and the new gen level 2 in copper. I have not done a side by side between them all, but the RS10 Ti mild plate is my favorite daily driver it easily gives me a comfortable 3 pass BBS. With that said I have never had a bad shave with any of my CG and they are definitely the best looking razors in my collection. I just did a side by side of the old gen level2 vs the new gen level 2 and it was a very similar shave with the new gen having a slightly hollower sound and slightly smoother on just the ATG pass. The beauty of the CG is it is nearly as smooth, the level 3 is significantly more efficient when you need it and still very smooth and it is somewhat readily available.

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 05-09-2019, 05:52 PM
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I haven't tried the RS10, but I use the Charcoal Goods Level 3 in brass, both open comb and straight bar, perhaps more than the others in my den. If I want a brainless, smooth and efficient shave these days, I turn to the Paradigm 17-4. Any thoughts on a comparison between the CG L3 and the 17-4, and how the RS10 fits in?

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 05-09-2019, 07:47 PM
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I would be interested in this too. If an RS10 is roughly equal to a CG2, would a CG3 equal an iKon tech?

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 05-10-2019, 01:25 AM
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I recently sold my 17-4, it was replaced by my RS10 as my daily favorite. The 17-4 was my first razor that I found to have that perfect balance of smoothness and efficiency until I got my RS10. I also sold my Ikon Tech because the Charcoal Goods level 3 DC gave me a very similar result but was much smoother and better built. The BBS doesnt last quite as long with the CG as the tech but close enough, that the more comfortable shave won out.

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 05-10-2019, 03:31 AM
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(05-09-2019, 02:01 PM)Ols67 Wrote:
(05-09-2019, 01:37 PM)Optometrist Wrote: Matt, I've been using a RS-10 for several months, predominantly with the mild plate as it better suits my daily shaving routine.
I actually received a CG Lvl2 in copper this morning which I intend to first use in the morning. 
I'll let you know my thoughts afterwards.

Yes!  Same boat...I just received my copper level-2 last week!  I will be interested to hear your take!

Vr

Matt


First use of my copper CG Lvl2 SB this morning, so these are only initial impressions based upon one use with the CG and multiple uses with the RS-10, both plates.

RS-10 mild and CG Lvl2 both suitable as daily shavers.
RS-10 mild is one of the smoothest shavers I've used, but Lvl2 is extremely close. If RS-10 is 10/10, Lvl2 is 9.5/10. It's that close.
CG Lvl2 is more efficient than RS-10 mild, especially on one day's growth. I find the mild plate works best on two days' growth or more.
CG lvl2 is less efficient than RS-10 Agg plate, but noticeably more comfortable.
Slimmer CG head makes for easier cutting in tight areas such as under the nose.

I obviouslyneed more uses with the CG Lvl2 to fully confirm these initial thoughts. As it stands, it's quite possible the CG could become the preferred choice for daily shaving. More efficient, yet little lost in comfort over the mild plate of the RS-10. Now I need to wait and see what growth presents itself tomorrow morning.

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 05-10-2019, 03:48 AM
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(05-09-2019, 05:52 PM)pbrmhl Wrote: I haven't tried the RS10, but I use the Charcoal Goods Level 3 in brass, both open comb and straight bar, perhaps more than the others in my den. If I want a brainless, smooth and efficient shave these days, I turn to the Paradigm 17-4. Any thoughts on a comparison between the CG L3 and the 17-4, and how the RS10 fits in?


I've owned a 17-4 and a CG Lvl3 with both SB and OC baseplates. I no longer own either.
CG Lvl3 is more efficient than the 17-4 and either of the RS-10 plates.
17-4 is easily more efficient than RS-10 mild and probably marginally less so than the RS-10 Agg.

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 05-10-2019, 03:53 AM
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I sold all my CG lvl 1, 2 , 3 razors in various metals as well as 17-4 and still keep my RS-10 with both plates so it is clear which is for me winner. I use RS-10 in ratio 4 shaves with agg plate : 1 shave with mild plate...

So for me:
CG lvl 1 - is less efficient than mild plate of RS-10, in term of smoothnes are similar ...
CG lvl2 - is less efficient than agg plate of RS-10, but noticeably more smooth ...
CG lvl3 - is another league (the same like 17-4), because CG lvl3 is aggressive razor and RS-10 agg plate is "only" mid-aggressive razor.

Gap between CG lvl 1 and lvl2 is considerably smaller than between lvl2 and lvl3.

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 05-10-2019, 04:01 AM
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(05-10-2019, 03:53 AM)Petronius Wrote: Gap between CG lvl 1 and lvl2 is considerably smaller than between lvl2 and lvl3.
Petr, I haven't tried a Lvl1 and doubt I ever will as I would not desire less aggression than the Lvl2. I am quite surprised though how tame the Lvl2 feels compared to the Lvl3.

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 05-10-2019, 04:45 AM
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(05-10-2019, 04:01 AM)Optometrist Wrote:
(05-10-2019, 03:53 AM)Petronius Wrote: Gap between CG lvl 1 and lvl2 is considerably smaller than between lvl2 and lvl3.
Petr, I haven't tried a Lvl1 and doubt I ever will as I would not desire less aggression than the Lvl2. I am quite surprised though how tame the Lvl2 feels compared to the Lvl3.

lvl3 is a beast in terms of efficiency; I reserve it for several days growth; beautiful results but heightened attention required.
lvl2 is the optimal balance of efficiency and smoothness i.e. a relaxed shave.
lvl1 is mild yet smooth; I typically use for less than one day growth or for head shaves.
OC is slightly more efficient than SB, regardless of lvl.

I've not used RS-10 or RS-18.

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 05-10-2019, 05:55 AM
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(05-09-2019, 07:47 PM)CzechCzar Wrote: I would be interested in this too. If an RS10 is roughly equal to a CG2, would a CG3 equal an iKon tech?

I found both to be equal in aggressiveness, but the CG3 sb is a smoother shaver, for me, anyway.

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 05-10-2019, 07:49 AM
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(05-10-2019, 05:55 AM)celestino Wrote:
(05-09-2019, 07:47 PM)CzechCzar Wrote: I would be interested in this too. If an RS10 is roughly equal to a CG2, would a CG3 equal an iKon tech?

I found both to be equal in aggressiveness, but the CG3 sb is a smoother shaver, for me, anyway.
Thanks!

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 05-10-2019, 08:13 AM
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For me, they are both very close. However, for some reason I find myself reaching for the RS 10 more often. The CG, however, is the more attractive razor

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 05-10-2019, 08:46 AM
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(05-10-2019, 03:31 AM)Optometrist Wrote:
(05-09-2019, 02:01 PM)Ols67 Wrote:
(05-09-2019, 01:37 PM)Optometrist Wrote: Matt, I've been using a RS-10 for several months, predominantly with the mild plate as it better suits my daily shaving routine.
I actually received a CG Lvl2 in copper this morning which I intend to first use in the morning. 
I'll let you know my thoughts afterwards.

Yes!  Same boat...I just received my copper level-2 last week!  I will be interested to hear your take!

Vr

Matt


First use of my copper CG Lvl2 SB this morning, so these are only initial impressions based upon one use with the CG and multiple uses with the RS-10, both plates.

RS-10 mild and CG Lvl2 both suitable as daily shavers.
RS-10 mild is one of the smoothest shavers I've used, but Lvl2 is extremely close. If RS-10 is 10/10, Lvl2 is 9.5/10. It's that close.
CG Lvl2 is more efficient than RS-10 mild, especially on one day's growth. I find the mild plate works best on two days' growth or more.
CG lvl2 is less efficient than RS-10 Agg plate, but noticeably more comfortable.
Slimmer CG head makes for easier cutting in tight areas such as under the nose.

I obviouslyneed more uses with the CG Lvl2 to fully confirm these initial thoughts. As it stands, it's quite possible the CG could become the preferred choice for daily shaving. More efficient, yet little lost in comfort over the mild plate of the RS-10. Now I need to wait and see what growth presents itself tomorrow morning.

Dave,

I think the Level 2 and the RS-10 mild are neck and neck as well, but I am leaning towards RS-10 being 9.5/10, and CG Level-2 being 10/10.

I just used the CG Level-1 Open Comb, and it was wonderful! I like it better than the Level-1, felt like the same smoothness as the CG Level-2, but a tad less efficient. Certainly a keeper, but I think CG Level-2 might be King here!

Vr

Matt

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 05-10-2019, 09:59 AM
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Definitely two very fine razors, Matt.
Just need to wait now for Brian's release of the brass and hopefully obtain a Lvl2 OC.

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 05-10-2019, 10:29 AM
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My CG Level 2 never feels like a mild razor so Im surprised to see it compared to the RS10 mild plate.

Ive heard the RS mild plate compared to a Wolfman WR1 0.74. The WR1 0.80 is close to a CG Level 2, which sounds about right.

Guess this is full on YMMV territory.

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 05-10-2019, 10:59 AM
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(05-10-2019, 10:29 AM)Tester28 Wrote: My CG Level 2 never feels like a mild razor so Im surprised to see it compared to the RS10 mild plate.

Ive heard the RS mild plate compared to a Wolfman WR1 0.74. The WR1 0.80 is close to a CG Level 2, which sounds about right.

Guess this is full on YMMV territory.

Tester,

You bring up an excellent point!!!


It does defy logic...the tweaks in the newest generation of the CG Level-2 baseplate make it feel extremely mild, but also very efficient!!!  I immediately thought of the ice cube like smoothness of the RS-10 with the mild baseplate, but it’s much more efficient!

I surely don’t get it...I am a chicken nugget! 

I do plan to enjoy it though for many years to come!!!

Vr

Matt

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 05-10-2019, 12:27 PM
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(05-10-2019, 10:59 AM)Ols67 Wrote: ...the tweaks in the newest generation of the CG Level-2 baseplate make it feel extremely mild, but also very efficient!!!  

I remember reading CG (Brian T) talking about the new baseplate design....here's what he says:

"The original Charcoal razor was visually inspired by the vintage Gillette NEW. This led to much confusion with customers 
believing they were purchasing a Gillette clone. The new razor design looks different but actually shaves the same as the original. 
Your face can't tell which generation you are using."


I also remember him saying somewhere that the new 2nd gen plate has been designed to reduce some of the audio feedback.
He also made some changes that lead to better blade clamping.


Maybe Im biased but I liked the look of the Gen 1 plates...a lot.

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