09-19-2012, 08:56 AM
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  • VT_Hokie
  • 2-Band Bandito
  • Charleston, SC
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Hey there Gents,

A few weeks ago, I ordered a handle from our friend Rudy Vey. He delivered a beautiful Chubby/Stubby type handle in a material that he called a resin stabilized "Dymondwood" Charcoal. It is absolutely beautiful and I love it to pieces.

Anyways, my knot arrived to me this morning. It's a 24mm TGN Finest Fan XH. This is the same knot that I used in my first restore of a vintage Erskine K-200 Butterscoth brush that you will see later. The knot in the Erskine was set at 48mm. I wanted this one to have a little bit more backbone so I set it at 45mm.

It's drying now, but tomorrow morning I'll give it a first lather and take some bloomed photos for your enjoyment!

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 09-19-2012, 08:59 AM
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  • Teiste
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Matt :

thanks for the pics!

Rudy have done another great handle.We are so lucky to have guys like Oscar11 (Steve) , Rudy and many others who makes such beautiful handles.

Do you like the TGN finest badger over the TGN silvertip badger?

Enjoy it!

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 09-19-2012, 09:00 AM
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That really is a great looking brush. Rudy does fine work. I'll look forward to hearing how it lathers.

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 09-19-2012, 09:04 AM
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  • beartrap
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Great looking brush! Work of art!

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 09-19-2012, 09:11 AM
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  • VT_Hokie
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(09-19-2012, 08:59 AM)Teiste Wrote: Do you like the TGN finest badger over the TGN silvertip badger?

Teiste, unfortunately the only experience I have with TGN knots is with their Finest grade of hair. I was tempted this time to change it up and go with the silvertip, but with such good results from the first one, I didn't want to mess up a good thing.

I know that many people feel that the "Best" hair grade from Simpsons varies wildly, but what I can tell you is that compared to my Duke 3 in Best, both of these brushes are fairly similar. I find that the individual hairs in my Simpsons brush are slightly finer(thinner) and softer, but overall they perform right about the same speed for me.

Thanks very much for all the compliments everyone. I really am enjoying just looking at this brush. Can't wait to give it a first use tomorrow!

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 09-19-2012, 09:55 AM
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  • Johnny
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Matt, both of those are very nice brushes, but the RV handle is just stunning. RV is certainly a true craftsman.

Enjoy that new brush.

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 09-19-2012, 10:02 AM
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  • MaxP
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45, eh?

I'm about to set an identical knot into a Rubberset handle and I was going to set it at 50.

Now, I'll re-think that height.

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 09-19-2012, 11:00 AM
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  • mikeperry
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(09-19-2012, 10:02 AM)MaxP Wrote: 45, eh?

I'm about to set an identical knot into a Rubberset handle and I was going to set it at 50.

Now, I'll re-think that height.

Hi Max

Obviously it's a YMMV thing... Please excuse me here for teaching you to suck eggs, play around with the loft height before committing to the chosen loft with epoxy.

Good luck.

Take care, Mike

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 09-19-2012, 11:53 AM
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  • oscar11
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Beautiful brushes.
Quote:Do you like the TGN finest badger over the TGN silvertip badger?
The only knots I'll use are Finest and Grade A. I won't argue about it but I know what I like.Biggrin
Finest are pretty forgiving knots when it comes to loft setting. Mike's advice is good, play around with the loft and take the time to get it right for you. There are no absolutes here, you like what you like, I like what I like and we're both right. BTW, a 24mm 2 band fan at 45mm sounds good to me, bulb a bit higher.

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 09-19-2012, 12:18 PM
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  • VT_Hokie
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(09-19-2012, 11:00 AM)mikeperry Wrote:
(09-19-2012, 10:02 AM)MaxP Wrote: 45, eh?

I'm about to set an identical knot into a Rubberset handle and I was going to set it at 50.

Now, I'll re-think that height.

Hi Max

Obviously it's a YMMV thing... Please excuse me here for teaching you to suck eggs, play around with the loft height before committing to the chosen loft with epoxy.

Good luck.

Take care, Mike

I'm going to agree with Mike here and say that 45mm is very low. Just about as low as you would want to go.

That being said, I want this brush to be my soap monster. With a knot that size and density, set at a loft that low, this thing is going to chew through the hardest triple milled soaps and be a face lathering monster.

Don't get me wrong, the butterscotch set at 48 is great...but just those 3 little mm and you can already see what a difference there is.

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 09-19-2012, 12:30 PM
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  • mikeperry
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(09-19-2012, 12:18 PM)VT_Hokie Wrote: I'm going to agree with Mike here and say that 45mm is very low. Just about as low as you would want to go.

That being said, I want this brush to be my soap monster. With a knot that size and density, set at a loft that low, this thing is going to chew through the hardest triple milled soaps and be a face lathering monster.

Don't get me wrong, the butterscotch set at 48 is great...but just those 3 little mm and you can already see what a difference there is.

Hi Matt

Your comments/reasoning make good sense, I can definitely imagine that brush eating soaps in its sleep...

At that loft does the brush still give up its lather easily enough?

Also how is the backbone?

Take care, Mike

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 09-19-2012, 01:00 PM
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  • VT_Hokie
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(09-19-2012, 12:30 PM)mikeperry Wrote:
(09-19-2012, 12:18 PM)VT_Hokie Wrote: I'm going to agree with Mike here and say that 45mm is very low. Just about as low as you would want to go.

That being said, I want this brush to be my soap monster. With a knot that size and density, set at a loft that low, this thing is going to chew through the hardest triple milled soaps and be a face lathering monster.

Don't get me wrong, the butterscotch set at 48 is great...but just those 3 little mm and you can already see what a difference there is.

Hi Matt

Your comments/reasoning make good sense, I can definitely imagine that brush eating soaps in its sleep...

At that loft does the brush still give up its lather easily enough?

Also how is the backbone?

Take care, Mike

I'm sure looking at the pictures now, this thing looks pretty awkward. Way too little loft and just standing straight up at attention, making its fan shape look more like that of a compact bulb.

I can almost guarantee that after its first use, that will all change.

The backbone on this thing is absolutely silly. Once it get's washed, it'll bloom and splay slightly, which I hope will be perfect.

I had no problems with lather hogging at all with the other knot.

If everything about this knot behaves the same way that its twin did, this is going to be killer.

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 09-19-2012, 01:25 PM
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  • mikeperry
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(09-19-2012, 01:00 PM)VT_Hokie Wrote: I'm sure looking at the pictures now, this thing looks pretty awkward. Way too little loft and just standing straight up at attention, making its fan shape look more like that of a compact bulb.

I can almost guarantee that after its first use, that will all change.

The backbone on this thing is absolutely silly. Once it get's washed, it'll bloom and splay slightly, which I hope will be perfect.

I had no problems with lather hogging at all with the other knot.

If everything about this knot behaves the same way that its twin did, this is going to be killer.

Hi Matt

I look forward to seeing a post-bloom photo and reading your review once you've used the brush out in the wild...

Take care, Mike

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 09-19-2012, 03:50 PM
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  • oscar11
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Here's a 24mm@45mm but it has an oversized knot hole(26mm).
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Maybe you'll find this interesting (I do), 2 of the knots pictured are 24mm knots, one is a 30mm Grade A (far left), one is a 26mm fan 2nd from the left. The 2 on the right are both 24mm. One is a finest fan (2nd from right) the other a Grade A bulb. The fan is set at 45mm the bulb at 46mm. Not a lot of difference in diameter of 3 of the knots. In this case the 24 at 45 works fine but woulds have to agree looking at the knot pictured above it looks jammed.

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 09-19-2012, 04:29 PM
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(09-19-2012, 08:56 AM)VT_Hokie Wrote: Hey there Gents,

A few weeks ago, I ordered a handle from our friend Rudy Vey. He delivered a beautiful Chubby/Stubby type handle in a material that he called a resin stabilized "Dymondwood" Charcoal. It is absolutely beautiful and I love it to pieces.

Anyways, my knot arrived to me this morning. It's a 24mm TGN Finest Fan XH. This is the same knot that I used in my first restore of a vintage Erskine K-200 Butterscoth brush that you will see later. The knot in the Erskine was set at 48mm. I wanted this one to have a little bit more backbone so I set it at 45mm.

It's drying now, but tomorrow morning I'll give it a first lather and take some bloomed photos for your enjoyment!

[Image: DSC00157.jpg]

[Image: DSC00158.jpg]

[Image: DSC00160.jpg]

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Excellent job by Rudy. I have seen this acrylic before but only as a blank not as a finished product. The Finest to me have more scritch and backbone than the Silvertip (my favorite overall). The Super Badgers are very soft and more for bowl lathering than face lathering.

Enjoy!

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 09-19-2012, 04:57 PM
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  • VT_Hokie
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  • Charleston, SC
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(09-19-2012, 03:50 PM)oscar11 Wrote: In this case the 24 at 45 works fine but woulds have to agree looking at the knot pictured above it looks jammed.

I'm hoping that by tomorrow, we'll be able to find out. Fingers crossed.

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 09-19-2012, 05:32 PM
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  • oscar11
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Matt, they're a pretty forgiving knot. I'd try not to be to judgmental the first few days, give it some time to break in well.

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 09-19-2012, 11:12 PM
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Great looking brush Matt...loving that handle!

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 09-20-2012, 05:56 AM
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  • VT_Hokie
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  • Charleston, SC
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Well guys, I have good news and bad news.

Good news first you say? Not really my style but alright. She works. And I mean DAMN well works. This thing is dense for days, backbone for weeks. Gobbled up a very hard and dry puck of AoS like it was nothing. Lather hog you say? Not in the least. Had no problems getting the lather to release at all. Feels like I've been using this thing for years, and it's only her first time out. I can only see it getting better from here.

The bad news? Well, I don't want to use any of my other brushes anymore!



Pics or it didn't happen!

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 09-20-2012, 12:17 PM
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  • mikeperry
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(09-20-2012, 05:56 AM)VT_Hokie Wrote: Well guys, I have good news and bad news.

Good news first you say? Not really my style but alright. She works. And I mean DAMN well works. This thing is dense for days, backbone for weeks. Gobbled up a very hard and dry puck of AoS like it was nothing. Lather hog you say? Not in the least. Had no problems getting the lather to release at all. Feels like I've been using this thing for years, and it's only her first time out. I can only see it getting better from here.

The bad news? Well, I don't want to use any of my other brushes anymore!

Hi Matt

All in all, good to hear everything worked out for the best Thumbsup

The post-bloom photo looks good and makes the brush look very good overall (if that makes sense).

Take care, Mike

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