08-24-2019, 02:38 PM
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  • Puma
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Well, this is a first for me. I've owned between fifty and sixty brushes and only one had an issue (minor shedding after plenty of use). I never expected a knot to fall out of one. This is one of my favorites, too. The knot is probably in my top five out of that fifty to sixty.

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 08-24-2019, 02:59 PM
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Tragic. Sorry to see this especially to a favorite. I had another brush that shed in clumps and the maker replaced the knot immediately. Just took forever as it had to cross the pond. My SV shed for about 15 -18 shaves until it stabilized. If I recall correctly the prevailing opinion is that SV is a great brush but susceptible to shedding or other knot issues. Perhaps SV will replace or reattach knot but not sure if worth it. If inclined you can use marine epoxy to re-secure the knot if the knot is still good. Good luck.

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 08-24-2019, 03:00 PM
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It's happened to me.  It's easy to set the knot again with 2 part epoxy.

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 08-24-2019, 04:19 PM
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It’s happened to me too. 2 party epoxy and it will be all good.

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 08-24-2019, 05:12 PM
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The SV brushes have great knots, I’d definitely re-set it with epoxy. That said, SV has shown me excellent customer service in the past - so either route, you’ll get back on track.

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 08-24-2019, 07:02 PM
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  • Garb
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Man I feel your anguish with that one. In May this year I had a boar knot fall out of a Thater and just today received the return package do to being lost with the wrong address posted. I'm persistent and will get this knot over the pond if I have to mail it to my aunt to hand deliver it. 

Set your knot with epoxy and it'll be fine.

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 08-24-2019, 08:11 PM
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The knot seems to have fallen out in its entirety....and still appears to be structurally intact.
That's a good thing.

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 08-25-2019, 01:26 AM
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(08-24-2019, 03:00 PM)TheLegalRazor Wrote: It's happened to me.  It's easy to set the knot again with 2 part epoxy.

(08-24-2019, 04:19 PM)Manning Wrote: It’s happened to me too. 2 party epoxy and it will be all good.

Do you two mean it happened to your Saponificio Varesino brushes or with cheaper brushes?

Because if three people in this thread had the knot fall out of their 200€+ SV brush then I think it's a disgrace, not something to be (no pun intended) brushed off with "just glue it". I don't expect brushes 1/10 that price to spontaneously disintegrate and if a brush that expensive did I'd be livid.

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 08-25-2019, 02:30 AM
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Twice it happened, they give me the choice, another one or money back

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 08-25-2019, 03:27 AM
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(08-24-2019, 02:59 PM)Darktrader Wrote: Tragic. Sorry to see this especially to a favorite. I had another brush that shed in clumps and the maker replaced the knot immediately. Just took forever as it had to cross the pond. My SV shed for about 15 -18 shaves until it stabilized. If I recall correctly the prevailing opinion is that SV is a great brush but susceptible  to shedding or other  knot  issues. Perhaps SV will replace or reattach knot but not sure if worth it.  If inclined you can use marine epoxy to re-secure the knot if the knot is still good. Good luck.


+1 Tragic.

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 08-25-2019, 03:35 AM
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Thanks for the advice guys. It's funny. The original owner gave me a deal because he said it was a modest shedder. I don't think he gave it enough time, because it seemed very new when I got it and it only shed maybe three hairs during the first couple of uses and hasn't shed since. I love this brush and I am definitely re-setting that knot.

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 08-25-2019, 03:54 AM
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(08-25-2019, 01:26 AM)RazorSteve Wrote:
(08-24-2019, 03:00 PM)TheLegalRazor Wrote: It's happened to me.  It's easy to set the knot again with 2 part epoxy.

(08-24-2019, 04:19 PM)Manning Wrote: It’s happened to me too. 2 party epoxy and it will be all good.

Do you two mean it happened to your Saponificio Varesino brushes or with cheaper brushes?

Because if three people in this thread had the knot fall out of their 200€+ SV brush then I think it's a disgrace, not something to be (no pun intended) brushed off with "just glue it". I don't expect brushes 1/10 that price to spontaneously disintegrate and if a brush that expensive did I'd be livid.

I’ve never owned a SV brush. It was a different brand for me.

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 08-25-2019, 04:27 AM
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(08-25-2019, 01:26 AM)RazorSteve Wrote:
(08-24-2019, 03:00 PM)TheLegalRazor Wrote: It's happened to me.  It's easy to set the knot again with 2 part epoxy.

(08-24-2019, 04:19 PM)Manning Wrote: It’s happened to me too. 2 party epoxy and it will be all good.

Do you two mean it happened to your Saponificio Varesino brushes or with cheaper brushes?

Because if three people in this thread had the knot fall out of their 200€+ SV brush then I think it's a disgrace, not something to be (no pun intended) brushed off with "just glue it". I don't expect brushes 1/10 that price to spontaneously disintegrate and if a brush that expensive did I'd be livid.

It happened to me twice with high end badger brushes which were not SV.  It really is a minor issue which is easy to fix yourself.

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 08-25-2019, 07:27 AM
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(08-25-2019, 04:27 AM)TheLegalRazor Wrote:
(08-25-2019, 01:26 AM)RazorSteve Wrote:
(08-24-2019, 03:00 PM)TheLegalRazor Wrote: It's happened to me.  It's easy to set the knot again with 2 part epoxy.

(08-24-2019, 04:19 PM)Manning Wrote: It’s happened to me too. 2 party epoxy and it will be all good.

Do you two mean it happened to your Saponificio Varesino brushes or with cheaper brushes?

Because if three people in this thread had the knot fall out of their 200€+ SV brush then I think it's a disgrace, not something to be (no pun intended) brushed off with "just glue it". I don't expect brushes 1/10 that price to spontaneously disintegrate and if a brush that expensive did I'd be livid.

It happened to me twice with high end badger brushes which were not SV.  It really is a minor issue which is easy to fix yourself.

Then this is where we disagree. I do not think this is a "minor issue" for a premium priced product.
If you pay top dollars you should get top quality.
I can't think of any reasonable definition of "top quality" which includes the product falling apart under normal use. 

That's the point with the adage "you get what you pay for" and if you didn't, then it's bad.

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 08-25-2019, 12:02 PM
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I can't believe no one called me a slacker for having owned only fifty to sixty brushes.

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 08-25-2019, 12:31 PM
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(08-25-2019, 12:02 PM)Puma Wrote: I can't believe no one called me a slacker for having owned only fifty to sixty brushes.

That's a good one Puma!

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 08-25-2019, 03:19 PM
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(08-25-2019, 12:02 PM)Puma Wrote: I can't believe no one called me a slacker for having owned only fifty to sixty brushes.

Lol, looks like you are in a bunch of like minded guys.funny!

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 08-25-2019, 03:35 PM
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(08-25-2019, 12:02 PM)Puma Wrote: I can't believe no one called me a slacker for having owned only fifty to sixty brushes.

We didn’t say we weren’t thinking it....

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 08-26-2019, 02:37 AM
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Happened to someone over on one of the UK forums, SV replaced it with a new one no quibble and he got to keep the old one which after repairing with epoxy is arguably better than new (now being properly fixed in place Wink)

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 08-26-2019, 05:32 AM
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(08-25-2019, 03:35 AM)Puma Wrote: Thanks for the advice guys. It's funny. The original owner gave me a deal because he said it was a modest shedder. I don't think he gave it enough time, because it seemed very new when I got it and it only shed maybe three hairs during the first couple of uses and hasn't shed since. I love this brush and I am definitely re-setting that knot.

If you haven't already re-set the knot, I would take some 80-120-grit sandpaper and try to rough-up the bottom of both the knot and socket.  That will give the epoxy something more to grab onto.  I would also use a very small amount of epoxy (marine being the better choice) because, paradoxically, thinner glue joints are stronger than thicker ones.  I hope this brush works out for you.

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