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 03-19-2020, 07:43 AM
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First contact.
The feeling is good.
Intuitive behavior.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B96v5pqnxeO/

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 03-19-2020, 08:10 AM
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That razor certainly caught my eye...
Any experience with their single edge razors?

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 03-19-2020, 09:22 AM
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(03-19-2020, 08:10 AM)PATRIOT Wrote: Any experience with their single edge razors?
Not me.
SHaDE razor and pivot head are two things that I do not like.

You can find info, and talk about, in the thread.
http://shavenook.com/showthread.php?tid=50056

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 03-20-2020, 05:14 AM
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Focus Tritok R51 Flat is a new world.
Different geometry, flat blade.
Super mild, with almost zero gap.
Very technical.

It needs a learning curve ...

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 03-21-2020, 06:46 AM
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Some useful details to understand how flat this Cumbo Srl Focus Tritok R51 Flat head is and how minimal the gap is.
It even takes advantage of light pressure.
And even with so much, it's incredibly safe !!!
Neophyte-proof ...

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 03-23-2020, 05:50 AM
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To give consistency to my test of the Focus Tritok R51 Flat, even in the last few days I have used it exclusively.
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By changing the grip, "pen like" as of Asian table tennis players, I solved the problem of the elbow.
Significantly more natural movements bring better control.
Although it is not as simple as seen on TV.
Tongue  Tongue  Tongue

Anyway today I went back almost to my standards.
A good BBS, although it required several retouches..
With an oddly long time.

This reassures me about the goodness of the path.
Let's see where it takes me.

I'd like to have on the bottom side of the plate, and nothing on handle.
BTW is a normal design of Cumbo Srl.
As other shavers before.

About technical research, this model is a new level.
The blade is dead flat, no chattering, totally mute.
It's difficult to have this in a such light razor.
As always ... "Italians do It better".
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 03-25-2020, 05:08 AM
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Finally, a good BBS.
Very odd this Focus Tritok R51 Flat.
Needs an unconvetional (to me) technique.
Holding the handle as a pen, near the head.
Not that easy ... as to have no blade feedback.
I don't know if this is good, and If I like it.
Last part of my learning curve.

But It's really photogenic.
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 03-26-2020, 08:57 AM
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Today I went into hack mode.

Cumbo Srl Focus Tritok
R51 Flat Hack3
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To make this sweet razor a little more effective, I use three blades at the same time. Not shims.
The flat geometry allows the use of multiple blades.
This slightly increases the gap, without exposure problems.

It works wonderfully and my BBS is fast and easy as usual.
To increase the cut, I used uncovered blades.
Usually I don't like Stainless Steel ones, which I find raw.
But in this scenario they are the right choice.

This new path seems very interesting to me.  Wink

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 03-26-2020, 09:22 AM
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I guess the question is...should it be that hard to get a good shave from a razor?
I would think that especially with a “flat” razor/blade, it’s all about the angle of attack.  
Also, I’m not sure how a “flat” razor changes the blade ridgidity, or if it does at all.
Be Safe,
Pete

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 03-26-2020, 09:49 AM
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(03-26-2020, 09:22 AM)PATRIOT Wrote: ... should it be that hard to get a good shave from a razor?
Hi Pete, normally I have an easy BBS with all my razors.
This is new to me, and have a totally different geometry.
IMHO, with this is not that easy at first.
No blade feedback, no gap, no exposure.
And the flat geometry give just one way you must find the angle.
Learning curve is slow, to me.

So, I've cheated.
I've tought to shims.
But in here something more radical is available.
This razor is the most safe shaver I've ever seen.
It's theorically almost impossible to harm yourself.
With three blades is not that aggressive.
Tomorrow I'll try two.

(03-26-2020, 09:22 AM)PATRIOT Wrote: Also, I’m not sure how a “flat” razor changes the blade ridgidity, or if it does at all.
More the surface of the plate on the blade, more rigidity.
It's Physics.

And you can really feel it: no chattering, no sound, no problems ... just a smooooooth shave.
With a little more gap, this project would be perfect for me.


And of corse, my SOTD of today ...
http://shavenook.com/showthread.php?tid=...#pid948123

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 03-27-2020, 12:01 PM
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Today I tried with two blades.
So another experiment ... Focus Hack2 or Focus2.
Good result, but to be improved.
The sweetness is right, it lacks a little effectiveness.
Focus3 is too aggressive for me.
But Focus2 does not offer adequate BBS duration.

Maybe somewhere in between will be perfect for me.
Tomorrow I will use two blades, but with a spacer in the middle.

In the meantime, take a look at my experiments. Wink
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 03-28-2020, 07:10 AM
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Today further experiment on Focus Tritok R51 Flat.
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The Focus2S hack, with two blades and one shim in between, was a step forward.
But still not optimal, given that the greater effectiveness was paid for with comfort.
Moreover the shim, which I made by cutting the used blade with scissors, is decidedly rough.
So there was a net loss of rigidity, so much so that the blade sang like a soprano.
For me already only this symptom of imperfect management of forces.

The road is good.
With some adjustments it will lead to the goal.
I am confident, and looking forward to the next result.

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 03-29-2020, 01:24 PM
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Today experiment Focus2Sb code: two blades with one shim below.
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I was surprised at the low effectiveness of this configuration on the R51.
But today I was in a hurry and I could not evaluate better.
Tomorrow I hope to have clearer ideas.

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 03-30-2020, 05:14 AM
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Today, FocusS code experiment: a new blade, with two shims underneath.
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I think I have found the right configuration.
Effectiveness almost comparable to the Focus3, but with all the comfort I'm used to.
The old school always wins !!! Wink Wink Wink

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 04-07-2020, 10:38 AM
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TRITOK VS PP1489: SHAVING BATTLE DAY1
Today the shaving battle begins.
The challenger, the Focus Tritok R51 Flat, armed with two thicknesses. (Shim)
The champion, the Frankenrazor PP1489, with the same blade but natural.
As always, my favorite blades, the Personna Platinum Chrome, new for the occasion.
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To be the first clash, both have done very well.
I would say a full tie, very balanced and pleasant draw.

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 04-09-2020, 12:58 PM
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TRITOK VS PP1489: SHAVING BATTLE DAY3
In these days the challenge has continued.
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Both razors are definitely efficient.
In three passes, but also in one (today, One Pass Shave, the result is perfect.
But they reach the goal along two very different roads.

The Frankenrazor PP1489 is a more effective, but above all it is much more intuitive.
The Focus Tritok R51 Flat, in HackS2 mode with two shims, is much more delicate but more technical.
Even for a matter of experience, the champion achieves excellent results with ease.
The challenger, albeit with greater engagement, still fully achieves the goal.
So from the point of view of pure performance I consider an ex aequo, giving the second the benefit of the doubt.

Let's move on to more material considerations.
The build quality of the two is also decidedly different.
The first is a commercial product, with a moderate cost.
The second is a high quality engineering project.
In both materials and specifications, the latter wins hands down.
This, however, has its price, which I still consider correct for the Focus.
But having to use the quality / price ratio on the result (not on the object !!), the PP1489 still wins.
But only for a technicality, in fact otherwise I would have considered selling the Focus.
Instead, it will show off in the future.

Latest considerations of an absolutely accessory nature, beauty and photogenicity.
Being also passionate about SOTD, for me it is a parameter that enters (as last) in the comparison.
Personally, I think both are beautiful and photogenic.
But even in this they are diametrically opposed.
The PP1489 is a classic beauty, perfect in a B&W photo.
The Focus is young and gaudy, and its colorful livery attracts strongly.

I conclude with a practical consideration.
The first I recommend it to anyone, perhaps for ease in the Standard Plus version (a little more effective).
This is already available on the Maggard Razors website by combining the MR14 handle with the V3 head (also available in Gray, absolutely in tone).
From the young person who has never taken a razor in hand, to the expert user, this is a tool of absolute performance as a daily shaver.
The second is not recommended for anyone who:
• have no patience
• do not like lightness
• do not want to use shims
For everyone else it is an absolutely valid experience.
And I'm very happy about it. Wink

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 05-31-2020, 08:12 AM
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Plans for blade testing in my upcoming shaves include Kai, Gillette Rubie Platinum Plus, Gillette Nacet and possibly Timor and Bolzano.

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