04-04-2020, 12:28 PM
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 04-04-2020, 01:21 PM
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Very nice!

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 04-04-2020, 08:34 PM
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Lovely

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 04-05-2020, 05:27 AM
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Niiiiice

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 04-06-2020, 10:14 AM
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 04-06-2020, 05:57 PM
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Love that stock material Brad. What are we calling that, “Antique Ivory?”


~Royce

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 04-07-2020, 04:40 AM
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(04-06-2020, 05:57 PM)DudeAbides Wrote: Love that stock material Brad. What are we calling that, “Antique Ivory?”


~Royce

 Here's the color version; and you're right, it's a 2XL Bi-Colour in the Antique Ivory with a tortoiseshell belt.   (My attempt at showing things a little differently.  Smile  )

So what's going on?  Lee and I have been working on a new project that could be somewhat exciting.  We hope (operative word!) to have more information shortly.


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 04-08-2020, 07:20 AM
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Earlier a fellow on another forum asked for more information about what's going on.  First of all, I apologize if I've caused any confusion.  (It's what our youngest calls my feeble attempt at humor.  Rolleyes  )  With that being said...

Some backstory.  For the past year or so, Lee Sabini and I have been talking about the badger hair he was able to secure while he owned Rooney -- especially the Finest and "Heritage" hairs remembered so fondly by the "old timers" among us.  About three months ago, Mr. Sabini was able to reconnect with the suppliers who provided the distinctive Finest and Heritage hairs to Rooney.  These fellows, in turn, claimed to be able to obtain more of the same.  (I'll stop for a moment because this begs the question about why these suppliers fell off the map.  Short answer:  I don't know and, given where we are right now, I don't know that I care.)  Anyway, Mr. Sabini ordered two trial batches of hair for which we turned several bi-colour 2XL handles for testing and advertising purposes.  One batch of hair turned out to be a non-starter and is supposedly being replaced, but the other, used to fill the Antique Ivory/Tortoisehsell 2XL (shown below), is IMO quite amazing. 

I've been using (testing?) this brush over the past three weeks and found this hair quite unlike any I've ever used.  How does it compare to the Heritage hair from 10 years ago?  In that I'll defer to Mr. Sabini because the only Heritage brush I own is a smaller 3-band.  (More on that in the next paragraph.)  Subjectively, I find the knot to be very dense, with a firm yet flexible backbone that provides excellent "scrub" that is by no means harsh, and soft, non-scritchy, tips.  I had asked Mr. Sabini to craft this knot in his "hybrid" shape, so a Fan would necessarily have somewhat less backbone while a Bulb a bit more.  (For the record, this is a 28mm brush with ~52mm of loft.)  It's also worth noting that this batch of hair came through somewhat shorter than anticipated; so, for this trial batch at least, Mr. Sabini recommends it be used in shorter-handled brushes like the 2XL and Pug.

So what's next?  

Mr. Sabini and I plan to speak today to compare notes, for me to understand more about availability of this and hopefully other hairs (e.g., the amount of hair on hand, future shipment availability and approximate timing, etc.), and to agree on pricing and marketing strategy.  Of course, border closings due to the coronavirus and related shipping delays remain unknown variables, so we will be watching those spheres with interest.  The bottom line is that we will share more, including brush ordering specifics, as soon as we can provide what we (Mr. Sabini, Nancy, and I) believe to be reliable information.

Before closing, I would like to say that sales so far this year have been slightly ahead of last year; so, for the moment, our company is in good shape financially, for which we thank you, our patrons.  We know "the world has been turned upside down."  Yet Nancy and I run a very "lean" operation.  We deliberately keep our overhead as low as possible consistent with our ability to deliver a first-tier product. 


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 04-08-2020, 07:39 AM
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Brad - that's exciting news and I appreciate the lengthy discussion.  It almost sounds like some sort of adventure story from the 1930s.  One question: are you getting Rooney heritage hair or Finest?  In my experience, one of the more unique characteristics of the legendary Finest hair was that they were set at a much higher loft because of it backbone.  Will that be the case if these are Finest knots?

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 04-08-2020, 07:47 AM
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 04-08-2020, 03:56 PM
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Very elegant and sophisticated looking!

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 04-09-2020, 05:05 AM
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(04-08-2020, 07:39 AM)jpakstis Wrote: Brad - that's exciting news and I appreciate the lengthy discussion.  It almost sounds like some sort of adventure story from the 1930s.  One question: are you getting Rooney heritage hair or Finest?  In my experience, one of the more unique characteristics of the legendary Finest hair was that they were set at a much higher loft because of it backbone.  Will that be the case if these are Finest knots?

Excellent questions, Josh.  Just wish I had the answers. Our plan is (was?) to try for both Finest and Heritage.  Initial results, as mentioned above, are mixed.  One trial batch, although the hair is shorter than anticipated, is superb.  The other is unsatisfactory for which, at this writing, Mr. Sabini is awaiting replacement.  


Stay tuned.

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 04-09-2020, 05:54 AM
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Will these be 2 band or 3 band?

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 04-09-2020, 08:39 AM
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(04-09-2020, 05:05 AM)BSWoodturning Wrote:
(04-08-2020, 07:39 AM)jpakstis Wrote: Brad - that's exciting news and I appreciate the lengthy discussion.  It almost sounds like some sort of adventure story from the 1930s.  One question: are you getting Rooney heritage hair or Finest?  In my experience, one of the more unique characteristics of the legendary Finest hair was that they were set at a much higher loft because of it backbone.  Will that be the case if these are Finest knots?

Excellent questions, Josh.  Just wish I had the answers. Our plan is (was?) to try for both Finest and Heritage.  Initial results, as mentioned above, are mixed.  One trial batch, although the hair is shorter than anticipated, is superb.  The other is unsatisfactory for which, at this writing, Mr. Sabini is awaiting replacement.  


Stay tuned.

I will, no doubt!  Finest is by the far the strangest, most beguiling type of hair I've ever had the privilege of using.  Its remarkable that its been so long since they've been available.

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 04-11-2020, 01:58 PM
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To bring everyone up to date, Mr. Sabini's and my planned conversation, mentioned in a previous posting, was delayed until yesterday.   It was a long, wide-ranging discussion that covered a number of matters; so I'll try to boil it down to the salient points:
  • First, we want to do some more testing and perform further comparisons (basically to be sure the new brushes are well broken-in so as to ensure "apples-to-apples" comparisons) before we make a definitive statement; however experience to this point suggests that this hair seems (operative word!) very close to the 2-band Heritage hair of days past.  (3-band hair is not currently contemplated.)  Badger hair, as most of us know, can vary from lot to lot.  Even so, we want to very careful to stay within reasonable parameters.  
  • In profile, this hair is both thinner and has less taper than the current Finest and Blonde hairs.  (Mr. Sabini tells me its profile is closer to a 3-band than the typical 2-band.)  This allows more hair to be packed into a given space, yielding a dense knot, yet with flexible backbone. (By that I mean this is not (IMO) a hard "Wall-of-Badger" knot.)  
  • The tips are soft with no "scritch" that either of us (Mr. Sabini or I) could detect.  Mr. Sabini commented that he's impressed with a "silkiness" (his word) he finds in this hair.
  • Bottom line:  IF it's agreed that this hair is comparable to the 2-band Heritage hair, it will likely be advertised as such; otherwise, we will give it a different name for obvious reasons.  Either way, Mr. Sabini and I agree that this is a very nice hair. 
  • Knot style:  As mentioned previously, this trial batch of hair came through shorter than expected.  For that and other (technical) reasons, Mr. Sabini wants to (a) limit the shape to his hybrid profile, as shown in the brush displayed previously, and (b) keep the loft between 50 and 52mm.  He also believes these knots might work best in shorter-handled brushes.
  • So which handles are we planning to offer?  That's still under discussion.  Because we believe this hair, by whatever name, to be unique, we plan to offer it in limited premium handle styles.  We're still talking about which ones.  The point is:  since this is distinctive hair, we believe it deserves distinctive handles.  In short, we want the entire "package" to be unique, and readily identifiable.  That means two -- or at most three -- patterns.  (I have my own thoughts, but I'm not ready to talk about them yet.  All I will say for now is that they will be (a) unique and (b) classically styled in the Rooney/Morris & Forndran mold.)
  • How many brushes will be available?  Right now, Mr. Sabini tells me has enough of this hair to make 30-35, 28mm brushes.  That number will comprise the first flight.
  • Will we offer different resin choices?  Yes.  Patron's choice.
  • When do we plan to start offering them?  I hope (subject to all the variables mentioned above, plus a few more) that we will be able to open-up ordering by the end of next week.  
  • What about pricing?  Pricing will be a modest premium, probably in the 10% range.
Final question:  what about the "Finest" hair mentioned before?  Unknown.  As I mentioned previously, the trial batch of hair intended to replicate the old Rooney Finest didn't measure up.  Mr. Sabini tells me the replacement batch might still be on a truck somewhere in China.  Time will tell.

Before closing, I do want to thank everyone for your interest and patience.  I also want to give a shout-out to the men who reached out with offers to help with testing and evaluation.  Your interest is very much appreciated!

I will be back as soon as we have more to share.

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 04-14-2020, 05:14 AM
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(04-08-2020, 07:20 AM)BSWoodturning Wrote: Earlier a fellow on another forum asked for more information about what's going on....

Some backstory. For the past year or so, Lee Sabini and I have been talking about the badger hair he was able to secure while he owned Rooney -- especially the Finest and "Heritage" hairs remembered so fondly by the "old timers" among us. That conversation took on greater meaning last November after the computer code containing several of Mr. Sabini's handle patterns was released to a competitor by a former consultant/collaborator. I won't get into finger-pointing because, frankly, that was blessing in disguise....

I'm sure most who are presently following this thread will know that your thinly veiled references to "a competitor" and "a former consultant/collaborator" are aimed at me and Frank McInroy, respectively. But it's entirely possible that someone might come along who won't know that. I think it's best not to invite off-target speculation. So, let's just be out with it.

For what it's worth, you're lacking a large piece of perspective on what transpired between Frank McInroy and me. That said, I generally don't think it's good form for an Artisan or Vendor to post (except appreciatively) in the threads of other Artisans/Vendors. I'll follow-up elsewhere; it's past time for that.

(04-08-2020, 07:20 AM)BSWoodturning Wrote: Coming from financial/accounting/IT backgrounds, we have a pretty fair understanding of cost accounting which is why our shaving brushes, while by no means inexpensive, are often priced below those of our competition.

Do you mean to imply that your competitors often price the shaving brushes they make higher than you do yours because they don't have "a pretty fair understanding of cost accounting"? That would seem to assume closely comparable cost structures across all makers. The fact you have a pretty good understanding of yours doesn't mean you have a reliable handle on everyone else's. I'm certain you don't have one on ours. In any case, if you want to engage in broad discussion with regard to your competitors' costs and pricing, why not start a thread in the Shaving Brushes forum? It could use some stimulation.

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 04-14-2020, 11:19 AM
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This thread has run its course and is now closed. Feel free to start another thread but please limit it to the promotion of your company's products.

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