11-20-2020, 12:51 AM
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  • Shaun
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These troublemakers are on their way to me from the UK. Huge brushes, for sure. I couldn't resist!

There is very little information about the P12: can anyone shed any light?

Anyone have any experience using them? I hear they have the same knot at the BK12... but do they? (Update: No: they are 9mm shorter, but the knot is the same. Result: Springier!)

More pics when they arrive here in Australia.

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 11-20-2020, 04:14 AM
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Those brushes are gorgeous! SBAD enabled.

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 11-20-2020, 08:58 AM
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Stunning!!!

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 11-20-2020, 03:44 PM
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I did read (somewhere) that the P12 has a bit more backbone than the BK12, but that was from a thread about ten years ago. I’m just wondering if anyone has comparison experience and therefore an informed view?

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 11-20-2020, 04:27 PM
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 11-21-2020, 03:24 AM
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Terrific acquisition, Shaun. But, you don't really need two...hint, hint... Biggrin

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 11-21-2020, 05:47 AM
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(11-21-2020, 03:24 AM)primotenore Wrote: Terrific acquisition, Shaun. But, you don't really need two...hint, hint... Biggrin

Fair enough. I’ll toss one of them into the bin when  I receive them, then. Wink

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 11-22-2020, 04:26 PM
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As I now understand it, the twins are the earlier versions of the Kent P series, and have a wider knot and shorter loft, hence more backbone. Other than measuring these characteristics when the twins arrive, the Kent logo is the other indicator. 

The later logo, I believe, indicates a slightly less dense knot, but I have no definite proof of this. For interest, I found a picture of the later version of the Kent logo on a plexi sitting next to the earlier version (like mine). This being so, I think my twins may have been made in the late 90s, but I’d love to be corrected on this. If all this is true, I am even luckier! (Update: confirmed by Kent: 1998).

The P8 in the picture below on the right is the earlier logo. The P12 on the left, the later version. 

The image comes from a posting in the Nook in 2013, and is credited to Vocalistbob: 

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 11-23-2020, 01:29 PM
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(11-21-2020, 05:47 AM)Shaun Wrote:
(11-21-2020, 03:24 AM)primotenore Wrote: Terrific acquisition, Shaun. But, you don't really need two...hint, hint... Biggrin

Fair enough. I’ll toss one of them into the bin when  I receive them, then. Wink
Shocked

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 11-25-2020, 01:19 AM
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The brushes arrived safely, and have been gently cleaned and left to dry. They shed a few hairs, but I expect this is reasonably normal after sitting unused for around 20 years. 

Knot: 31.5mm
Loft: 55mm

The (current) BK12:

Knot: 31mm
Loft: 64mm

I can therefore conclude that when the later run of P12s occurred (post-2020) the knot was identical to the BK12, and so they shared the taller loft of 64mm, a considerable height difference from the earlier 55mm, hence the frequent description of the later model P12s as being “floppy” or a “mop”. 

With mine having a loft of 55mm, I wouldn’t call them floppy at all... but soft and gentle? Oh yes. Very

These are really good brushes. My luck was definitely in!

Here is a pic of the “first run” Kent P12 with the 55mm loft. Also note the earlier version of the Kent logo.

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 11-27-2020, 08:28 AM
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have an even larger s 12 that is by far my largest

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 11-27-2020, 10:32 AM
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(11-27-2020, 08:28 AM)daveinsweethome Wrote: have an even larger s 12 that is by far my largest
Pictures, please.

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 11-27-2020, 04:11 PM
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(11-27-2020, 10:32 AM)Shaun Wrote: [Image: drRQGZL.jpg]
(11-27-2020, 08:28 AM)daveinsweethome Wrote: have an even larger s 12 that is by far my largest
Pictures, please.

makes a 30 mm plus m and f pale

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 11-27-2020, 04:47 PM
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(11-27-2020, 04:11 PM)daveinsweethome Wrote:
(11-27-2020, 10:32 AM)Shaun Wrote: [Image: drRQGZL.jpg]
(11-27-2020, 08:28 AM)daveinsweethome Wrote: have an even larger s 12 that is by far my largest
Pictures, please.

makes a 30 mm plus m and f pale
A knot of 26mm and loft of 70mm... what is the backbone of the AP12 like?

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 11-28-2020, 07:49 AM
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  • chazt
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Shaun, there’s something special about the black over clear Lucite combination. Thanks for sharing. Enjoy your new brushes Smile

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 11-28-2020, 01:38 PM
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(11-28-2020, 07:49 AM)chazt Wrote: Shaun, there’s something special about the black over clear Lucite combination. Thanks for sharing. Enjoy your new brushes Smile
Thanks Charlie. Interestingly, the two handles are not identical. They look it, and they are very close, but they are not. They must have been hand crafted? I had never thought how plexi handles for shaving brushes were made; now I am curious. I tried to find out, but my researches yielded nought.

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 12-04-2020, 11:39 AM
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Update.

Kent has confirmed that the date of manufacture of these shorter-lofted P12s is 1998.

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