10-05-2012, 10:40 AM
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I keep coming across this misinformation. I do not know why people think we have developed a machine to make badger hair knots, nor do I understand how people can think a machine is even able to grade hair.

Therefore, I've written a little article busting this myth.

Mythbusting: Cheaper Badger Knots are Made By Machine

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 10-05-2012, 09:44 PM
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Lee, thanks for link. Great video.

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 10-05-2012, 11:16 PM
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That was a very interesting article providing some good info.Thanks a lot , Lee.

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 10-05-2012, 11:49 PM
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Interesting. I wondered how those almost perfect shapes were made.

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 10-06-2012, 12:41 AM
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I was told Chinese knots were bunched and glued by machines....

The sorting might not be done by machine, humans load the grade of hair; I'm sure there's automation going on somewhere especially with the "Short" loft knots. Cosmetic and paintbrushes can be made by machine, so its not to far fetched.

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 10-06-2012, 01:51 AM
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Good points Lee as to what machines can do, and what they can't.

I loved the Davinci brush video which proves why that woman is tying knots and I am not.

When I was young, I worked in a cabinet making shop. So much depended on matching wood grains and color variances in wood. Beyond that muscle memory that came with experience allowed for good saw cuts, clamping and fastening.

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 10-06-2012, 02:33 AM
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Interesting read... what about brushes made from man-made fibers? There are some nylon brushes out there that has all the softness and backbone of a painters brush, and I can all to easily see those being made on an assembly line...

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 10-06-2012, 09:03 AM
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Well, I have read an article about Mühle in the reliable newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine, where Mühle admits that in the year 2009 they have made 23,000 brushes by hand and 1.5 Million were produced by machines.

Here is the article in German.

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 10-06-2012, 09:24 AM
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Many companies offer machinery that will form knots automatically, we have recently considered a purchase.

The hair is loaded manually as is the glue, the machine does the rest.

It's my belief that uniform knots could be produced more routinely but the art of hand made brush making would be lost.

Commercially it stacks up but not for us.

Mark

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 10-06-2012, 10:00 AM
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Thanks for the info. Article updated.

@Sodapopjones,
I'm sure some do, but considering that Chinese factories produce virtually all knots (only known exception to me is Simpson & Vie Long), either factories in China make knots by hand or the European brands are lying to you.

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 10-06-2012, 02:14 PM
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(10-06-2012, 10:00 AM)asharperrazor Wrote: Thanks for the info. Article updated.

@Sodapopjones,
I'm sure some do, but considering that Chinese factories produce virtually all knots (only known exception to me is Simpson & Vie Long), either factories in China make knots by hand or the European brands are lying to you.

Add Semogue to Simpson and Vie Long.

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 10-06-2012, 03:20 PM
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(10-06-2012, 09:24 AM)Simpson1919 Wrote: Many companies offer machinery that will form knots automatically, we have recently considered a purchase.

The hair is loaded manually as is the glue, the machine does the rest.

It's my belief that uniform knots could be produced more routinely but the art of hand made brush making would be lost.

Commercially it stacks up but not for us.

Mark

(10-06-2012, 10:00 AM)asharperrazor Wrote: Thanks for the info. Article updated.

@Sodapopjones,
I'm sure some do, but considering that Chinese factories produce virtually all knots (only known exception to me is Simpson & Vie Long), either factories in China make knots by hand or the European brands are lying to you.

(10-06-2012, 02:14 PM)Teiste Wrote:
(10-06-2012, 10:00 AM)asharperrazor Wrote: Thanks for the info. Article updated.

@Sodapopjones,
I'm sure some do, but considering that Chinese factories produce virtually all knots (only known exception to me is Simpson & Vie Long), either factories in China make knots by hand or the European brands are lying to you.

Add Semogue to Simpson and Vie Long.

And Shavemac, and Morris & Forndran, and Plisson...

I know both Lee and Bernd had the screws put to them about having their products premade from China, and both proved otherwise....

The problem with making these claims is you're never going to get to see their operations or take pictures to prove one way or the other, unless they send them to you.

I have pictures of my M&F in all its various stages, less the actual handle turning.

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 10-06-2012, 05:15 PM
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(10-06-2012, 03:20 PM)Sodapopjones Wrote: I know both Lee and Bernd had the screws put to them about having their products premade from China, and both proved otherwise....

Can you repost the proof?

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 10-06-2012, 05:43 PM
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(10-06-2012, 05:15 PM)asharperrazor Wrote:
(10-06-2012, 03:20 PM)Sodapopjones Wrote: I know both Lee and Bernd had the screws put to them about having their products premade from China, and both proved otherwise....

Can you repost the proof?

It was posted some time ago on SMF, I think even Mark commented about the operations,at least regarding Lee and Rooney/M&F.

When I have time, I'll see what I can dig up.

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 10-06-2012, 05:45 PM
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Thanks, I'd be interested. I've been trying to dig to the bottom, however, all the information is not in Mr. Sabini's favor so far.

What about the Shavemac statement? I haven't read anything published saying the knots specifically were made in Germany, just the brushes.

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 10-06-2012, 05:53 PM
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(10-06-2012, 05:45 PM)asharperrazor Wrote: Thanks, I'd be interested. I've been trying to dig to the bottom, however, all the information is not in Mr. Sabini's favor so far.

What about the Shavemac statement? I haven't read anything published saying the knots specifically were made in Germany, just the brushes.

No, and I was also skeptical about the mystery behind Lee, I even was ready to dissect my Stubby 1 lol..

You will have to dig through B&B to find the Shavemac threads.

Actually now that I think about it, I think Mark even knows about MP operations.

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 10-06-2012, 05:57 PM
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What is MP?

I take it your dissection statement was hyperbole? You really can't tell country of origin by dissecting a brush. Just making sure people who read this thread know that.

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 10-06-2012, 07:28 PM
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(10-06-2012, 05:57 PM)asharperrazor Wrote: What is MP?

I take it your dissection statement was hyperbole? You really can't tell country of origin by dissecting a brush. Just making sure people who read this thread know that.

No, you're right, but you can tell the manufacturing method.

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 10-06-2012, 09:01 PM
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(10-06-2012, 07:28 PM)Sodapopjones Wrote:
(10-06-2012, 05:57 PM)asharperrazor Wrote: What is MP?

I take it your dissection statement was hyperbole? You really can't tell country of origin by dissecting a brush. Just making sure people who read this thread know that.

No, you're right, but you can tell the manufacturing method.

I'm only aware of two main methods of securing the knot to the handle. One involves glueing the hairs to a plug (be it metal or plastic), then gluing the plug to the handle. Clearly you gain some flexibility with this method.

The other method involves gluing the hairs directly to the handle.

I am unaware of other methods.

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 10-07-2012, 04:46 AM
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Lee,

The article is great, but what really stood out to me is that video. I've always wanted to see it done. Absolutely awesome.

Thank you so much!

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