11-02-2012, 07:17 AM
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I am thinking of ordering a Vei-long horse hair brush for Christmas.

I see some with 35% mane 65% tail, and some that are 50/50.

I face lather soaps, croaps, and creams and generally use circular motion.

Which do I want, which has softer tips but with backbone?

Thanks in advance

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 11-02-2012, 07:25 AM
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  • Dave
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The Vie Long Zurito is a good brush with an amazing handle but Id recommend against circular motions on the face. If you want to keep your brush in good shape use painting strokes as horsehair is not as strong (to me) as boar and badger hair.

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 11-02-2012, 07:36 AM
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The natural horse hair is prickly with circular motions when I used to lather that way with them. I've heard the 50/50 knots may be a bit softer, but I never tried them.

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 11-02-2012, 08:53 AM
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I like the natural (brown) knots. I face lather with a Peleon all the time. The loft is long enough to give a nice splay without having to mash the brush

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 11-02-2012, 08:55 AM
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I too have been contemplating a horse brush off and on for the last 2 months. I keep putting it off though, the last thing I need is more brushes. I had the herd thinned down to 5 and they somehow multiplied back up to 14...all these LE's don't help either.

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 11-02-2012, 04:53 PM
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i have been using the BGS 2012 natural horse-hair, 35% mane, 65% tail with very good backbone, some scritch and great flow-through. Great for face-lathering. i find it to be an excellent brush.[/align] Good luck.

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 11-03-2012, 02:47 AM
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35/65 are best for face lathering IMO but you can use the 50/50. I have and use both

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 11-03-2012, 03:56 AM
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Thanks for the info, I think I'll give one a good try. That will make 3 on the list, badger, boar, and horse Cool

Still trying to imagine the difference in 35/65 and 50/50 though. Heading to Fort Worth today, maybe I'll get a horse to stop long enough I can tell if the mane or tail is softer Dodgy

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 11-03-2012, 04:21 AM
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The Zurito to me is really soft. The Natural is a bit scritchier.

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 11-03-2012, 09:50 AM
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The Bullgoose LE Beehive that I purchased in bleached horse has the same knot as my V-L 13061 (Zurito).

I face lather exclusively and use a circular motion to build lather - both of these brushes remain in like new condition. The hair is 50/50 and it does start out a bit prickly - but it soon softens to a firm scrubbiness.

I highly recommend a horse hair brush; they are good with soaps or creams and are an affordable change up from a badger

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 11-05-2012, 01:22 PM
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(11-03-2012, 03:56 AM)Bowhnter Wrote: ... Still trying to imagine the difference in 35/65 and 50/50 though...

The function of Mane Horse Hair is to provide the softness and is a lighter hair than the Tail whose function would provide the stiffness or Backbone.

Only two ratios of Mane/Tail are produced for the Standard Shaving Brushes; the standard or Banded is a 50/50 Ratio, a good all-around Brush for Soaps and Creams. The Natural Brown Hair is a 35/65 mix, giving it extra stiffness for the normally longer/higher lofts, and are more for Harder Soaps, or those that prefer a more exfoliating Brush, these ratios are offered in various knot sizes from; 19mm & 24mm.

I have/had ~12 Vie-Long Brushes, 50/50 & 35/65, and enjoy them all. I face lather ~99% of the time and use circular motions with no problems. All my lofts were customized to 50mm and below, with my main face lathering brush a Natural Brown 35/65 set to 46/21mm, I prefer the smaller knot for precise application of lather. My larger knotted Brushes, 23mm is set to 48mm & 24mm set to 50mm work as well for face lathering.

The 50/50 is softer out of the box, though all Horse Hairs become softer with regular use, ~17-25 lathers,depending on hair ratio (50/50 has more Mane than the 35). The scritch will also relax during regular use, they can be fairly scritchy out of the box, less pressure with the brush will lessen the scritch you feel. I'd recommend ~5-7 bowl lathers using a Spice Mortar bowl (textured bottom) to help relax scritch.


(11-03-2012, 09:50 AM)Tim_McD Wrote: The Bullgoose LE Beehive that I purchased in bleached horse has the same knot as my V-L 13061 (Zurito)...

Vie-Long Horse Hairs are not bleached

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 11-05-2012, 04:01 PM
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(11-05-2012, 01:22 PM)TommyGuns59 Wrote:
(11-03-2012, 03:56 AM)Bowhnter Wrote: ... Still trying to imagine the difference in 35/65 and 50/50 though...

(11-03-2012, 09:50 AM)Tim_McD Wrote: The Bullgoose LE Beehive that I purchased in bleached horse has the same knot as my V-L 13061 (Zurito)...

Vie-Long Horse Hairs are not bleached

There are two different colors of horse hair offered by Vie-Long; the bleached (made to look like badger) and the natural (brown) hair.

I have the 13061 (which is bleached), there is the 13061M (natural brown) and now the 13061S (natural brown, fan knot).

Also, there are options for the BullGoose LE Beehive: Bleached Horse in the ivory handle and Natural Horse in the butterscotch

All great stuff and highly recommended

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 11-11-2012, 06:55 AM
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(11-02-2012, 04:53 PM)celestino Wrote: i have been using the BGS 2012 natural horse-hair, 35% mane, 65% tail with very good backbone, some scritch and great flow-through. Great for face-lathering. i find it to be an excellent brush.[/align] Good luck.

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 11-11-2012, 08:02 AM
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I ended up ordering this 12651 minutes ago (along with a silvertip flat loft)

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 11-11-2012, 08:22 AM
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(11-03-2012, 09:50 AM)Tim_McD Wrote: The Bullgoose LE Beehive that I purchased in bleached horse has the same knot as my V-L 13061 (Zurito).

No....it doesn't. While the hair used is the same, the Beehive has a fuller knot.

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