11-09-2012, 08:13 AM
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Alright, so I'm lathering on my face.

I've put an almond to two almond dollops on the brush and I've raised the hair to my face. Lathering, lathering, lathering. I've now developed a good amount of rich lather on my face.

I use the brush to even it out in a painting motion. Proceed to first pass. Wash.

Now when I bring the brush up to my face to lather for the second time. The brush is super congested with lather. Upon bringing it to my face it splays open.

The bristles don't move freely because of how congested it is with lather. It makes lathering my face for the second pass difficult.

What's happening?

Thanks!

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 11-09-2012, 08:58 AM
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A little difficult to understand what you are describing, sounds like you have too much product and not all of it lathered after the first pass. Did you try adding more water between passes?

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 11-09-2012, 09:02 AM
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What kind of brush is it - badger? And what grade and loft of hair?

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 11-09-2012, 09:44 AM
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Two almond dollops sounds like an awful lot of product unless it is a very poor performing cream. Make sure your face is wet when you reapply, and if it is still congested add some water to the tips of the brush and continue lathering.

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 11-09-2012, 09:54 AM
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Try adding more water and rebuilding the lather. That sounds like a lot of product to me.

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 11-09-2012, 09:56 AM
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This may the the missing 1% when I generally say that 99% of all lather problems can be fixed by using more product.

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 11-09-2012, 11:10 AM
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Sounds like too much cream and very little lather to me.

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 11-09-2012, 05:03 PM
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(11-09-2012, 09:44 AM)wingdo Wrote: Two almond dollops sounds like an awful lot of product unless it is a very poor performing cream. Make sure your face is wet when you reapply, and if it is still congested add some water to the tips of the brush and continue lathering.

+1

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 11-09-2012, 05:11 PM
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These gentlemen have some great ideas. Report back how your lather is later.

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 11-09-2012, 06:33 PM
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Sounds like you have enough soap on the brush,, just try adding a bit more water as It's probably drying out during the time you are shaving. Doesn't take long depending on the soap. I have some that seem to dry on my face during a shave.

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 11-10-2012, 10:35 AM
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Try with 1 1/2 almond size cream next time, and take your time to build the lather, adding only a few drops of water at a time.

Adding to much water at once will ruin the lather, and you will need to reapply more cream to even it out.
So add small drops of water at a time, be patient....... Smile

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 11-10-2012, 10:57 AM
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its a Crabtree & Evelyn pure brush.

I'm using Penhaligon's Opus 1870.

I'll use less cream tomorrow & report back.

I'll take pictures too.

Many thanks gents.

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 11-10-2012, 11:56 AM
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Penhaligon's??? Use no more than an almond size dollop. You are indeed using WAY too much soap. Penhaligon's is a high end cream and very well manufactured. You do not need a whole lot to make magnificent lather.

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 11-11-2012, 07:35 PM
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(11-10-2012, 11:56 AM)wingdo Wrote: Penhaligon's??? Use no more than an almond size dollop. You are indeed using WAY too much soap. Penhaligon's is a high end cream and very well manufactured. You do not need a whole lot to make magnificent lather.

So I shaved with half the amount yesterday. Which is still a healthy almond sized squirt. Same issue.

There was less lather to begin with but again it was not flowing out of my brush. It sat deep inside.

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 11-11-2012, 07:45 PM
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I still do not think you are using enough water. Try a practice lather and just keep adding small amounts of water. Eventually you'll either end up with decent lather or soup. But if you're not getting the lather to leave the knot it's too dry. I use about an almond size dollop on a 26mm D01 knot which is a huge dense brush.

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 11-11-2012, 07:47 PM
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Do you have this issue with other combinations of brush/soap?

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 11-11-2012, 08:06 PM
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Edit to the below:

Last night I used distilled water.
I realized my water was hard because my TF&H razor had gunk (calcified is the proper term I think) all over the corners and its barely a month old. Apparently we do have hard water here. Which makes sense. Its seawater desalinated. I'll start a new thread about it though.

(11-11-2012, 07:45 PM)wingdo Wrote: I still do not think you are using enough water. Try a practice lather and just keep adding small amounts of water. Eventually you'll either end up with decent lather or soup. But if you're not getting the lather to leave the knot it's too dry. I use about an almond size dollop on a 26mm D01 knot which is a huge dense brush.

I'm reluctant to use more water. I'm afraid of breaking down the lather.
I'll do test lathers in a bowl I guess.

(11-11-2012, 07:47 PM)asharperrazor Wrote: Do you have this issue with other combinations of brush/soap?

I've been using the Penhaligon's Opus 1870 almost exlsuvely recently but I'll try it with my other cream (Cade from l'Occitane).

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 11-11-2012, 08:34 PM
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I have "very hard" water where I live according to my city water officials. While hard water may make it more difficult to lather, it certainly doesn't kill or prevent a lather. You just have to keep experiencing with test lathers to learn your equipment. That include bush, soap, & WATER!

Godspeed.

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 11-11-2012, 09:17 PM
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Do some test lathers in your hand since you're face lathering. Take it to the break down point. The experience is invaluable. You need to do it, otherwise you're relying on us and language. You're the guy with the eyes on the ground, you can probably figure out what's going on in no more than 2 test lathers, but it sounds to me like either too much soap or not enough water. Basically that's saying the same thing.

Desalinated water.... Doesn't that also remove the minerals and leave soft water? I thought only water made it through the reverse osmosis membrane. Maybe not. I have extremely soft water and I still get soap scum on my razors. It does look like calcium, but it's extremely soft.

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 11-11-2012, 11:00 PM
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It was also my understanding that desalinization used evaporation, which would basically yield near distilled water.

However, with technology advancing so rapidly, they could well use filters for all I know.

But back on topic.

OP, have you tried to decalcify your brush? If not, I'd try that. Unless the brush is new, in which case that won't do anything.

One possible problem at a time and we can figure out this thing.

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