11-09-2012, 07:53 PM
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gosh, I'm getting irritated (no pun intended). Angry

no matter what razors or blades or soaps or creams I try, I cannot seem to get away from burn and bumps.

check these photos out. this is after my shave tonight. at first I was using an OCMM but had to stop because it was just FAR TOO aggressive. I pulled the blade out of it (brand new GEM SS) and put it in my 1912. I used the TSN shavemac proto silvertip brush and AoS cream.

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a solution to my problem is to stop shaving. Biggrin

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 11-09-2012, 08:01 PM
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Wow, Andrew, you do have sensitive skin. I am surprised you attempted an OCMM. That razor is beyond aggressive and certainly isn't one I would suggest to someone with your skin and hair type.

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 11-09-2012, 08:06 PM
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Ouch. When I started wet shaving, I started with the mildest blade/razor I had and worked up from there. Even then I got bad results until I realized my neck doesn't like the three pass shave.

In your case, I'd start with a single wtg pass. See how that does. If you still have irritation, try a slicker lather. If not, try a two pass shave atg or xtg. If that gets irritation, try the other way.

Good luck. It stinks to have that, but it feels so good when you finally find what works for you.

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 11-09-2012, 08:07 PM
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How many passes are you doing and in which directions?

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 11-09-2012, 08:08 PM
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(11-09-2012, 08:01 PM)freddy Wrote: Wow, Andrew, you do have sensitive skin. I am surprised you attempted an OCMM. That razor is beyond aggressive and certainly isn't one I would suggest to someone with your skin and hair type.

never again, trust me. I might just keep the one I have to have one.

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 11-09-2012, 08:36 PM
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(11-09-2012, 08:07 PM)Tonality Wrote: How many passes are you doing and in which directions?

Yes, enquiring minds need to know. Also, have you mapped your beard growth? I think you have but I'd bet you have omni-directional growth like me.

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 11-09-2012, 08:40 PM
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(11-09-2012, 08:07 PM)Tonality Wrote: How many passes are you doing and in which directions?

2 passes, normally. from top of my face to the jaw line, n-s, then either w-e or e-w.

from the jaw line down, I go a few different directions because of my hair growth.

so my hair grows in 4 different directions on my neck.

the top half of my neck from the left side to the right grows N-S. Then, on the left side at about half way down, it grows from E-W. The bottom of the middle grows S-N and then finally my right side near the bottom grows W-E.

Teiste suggested trying to the following:

shave before a shower;
make my lather in a bowl or scuttle and paint the lather on;
shave WTG and only 2 passes; and
try using a slant

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 11-09-2012, 08:45 PM
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here's a quick paint drawing of how my facial growth is below my jaw line. the straight line represents the jaw line.

   

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 11-09-2012, 08:48 PM
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What's your PreShave routine?

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 11-09-2012, 08:56 PM
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(11-09-2012, 08:48 PM)SharpSpine Wrote: What's your PreShave routine?

depends on the day, really.

most days I'll shave before a shower. I would wet my face, apply pre-shave oil and then face lather.

today, I showed, splashed some water on my face and then just face lathered.

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 11-09-2012, 09:22 PM
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If your up to it, you could try a straight and see how it goes. Probably won't get any improvement until you get the technique down, but people who've switched have reported improvement.

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 11-09-2012, 09:23 PM
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What's your skin type?

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 11-09-2012, 09:41 PM
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(11-09-2012, 09:23 PM)SharpSpine Wrote: What's your skin type?

seems mostly like sensitive, dry skin.

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 11-09-2012, 10:25 PM
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(11-09-2012, 09:41 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote:
(11-09-2012, 09:23 PM)SharpSpine Wrote: What's your skin type?

seems mostly like sensitive, dry skin.

I only ask because I would always get my worst shaves when I used a preshave oil. However, I have oily, yet dehydrated skin. PSO just made things sticky when it should make the razor glide better. I didn't get to where I could comfortably shave daily until I started using a preshave soap. If you haven't tried this yet, then I'd highly suggest it. Also, cold water shaving made a big difference for me.

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 11-09-2012, 10:54 PM
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I'll put my 2 cents in...
Stop shaving, I mean if your situation allows, completely stop until your face heals.
Use a moisturizer daily, use the good stuff, don't skimp on it.
When you are healed and ready to try again, prepare your beard. I wouldn't use oil but it's up to you, good wash is all you need.
Looks like you haven't found the right product line yet, so don't change everything at the same time.
Use a bowl to make lather, not to irritate your face. Make a lather extra slick, you can add a squirt of unscented KMF or just glycerin. Paint it on, add more water if needed.
Start shaving with mild razor, really mild, stop experimenting with different tools until you can comfortably shave several times in the row. Zero pressure, very light short strokes. If you feel pain or discomfort, STOP. It will not get better if you continue going over the same spot.
Look at your face now, remember where your problem areas are, where you get most irritated and burned, be extra gentle in those spots, even if it means leaving more stubble there.
I can go on and on but you get the idea, all you need is patience. Once you get that first good, irritation free shave, you'll do even better next time.

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 11-10-2012, 12:21 AM
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(11-09-2012, 08:56 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote:
(11-09-2012, 08:48 PM)SharpSpine Wrote: What's your PreShave routine?

depends on the day, really.

most days I'll shave before a shower. I would wet my face, apply pre-shave oil and then face lather.

today, I showed, splashed some water on my face and then just face lathered.

Have you tried a preshave wash before, MR GLO or something like that? Also you might benefit from a hot towel before your shave.
I would probably go with a mild razor and bowl lather for a while to see if you can pin-point whats going wrong.

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 11-10-2012, 12:36 AM
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bearstrap +1

don't use the pre-shave oil, it makes the blade slip over the hair.

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 11-10-2012, 07:40 AM
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Both of the things that vuk said helped me as well as an intense post-shave routine.
Mapping, pre-shave routine, bowl lather but when you lather do so for at least 2 or three minutes then leave the lather for a bit to continue to soften. No pressure at all. Try NOT to shave 10 days of growth off at once(!!!)Biggrin

Post shave products containing acetyl-salicylic acid, (Tend Skin or search for a home made recipe)or salicylic acid, glycolic acid or a combination have been a Godsend for me.
There are the "luxury" more expensive ones from Anthony Logistics, Menscience, etc. or you can find an inexpensive, gentle salicylic acid acne treatment from Walmart. etc.

A moisturizer afterwards, always. The Celestino recommended Unrefined Shea Butter is by far the best alternative for me. It keeps my skin hydrated and soft, making the shave easier with regular use IMO.

Stick with one routine and only change things out one at a time if something is problematic. Once you get it down, only then change something if you want to.

(11-10-2012, 12:21 AM)vuk Wrote:
(11-09-2012, 08:56 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote:
(11-09-2012, 08:48 PM)SharpSpine Wrote: What's your PreShave routine?

depends on the day, really.

most days I'll shave before a shower. I would wet my face, apply pre-shave oil and then face lather.

today, I showed, splashed some water on my face and then just face lathered.

Have you tried a preshave wash before, MR GLO or something like that? Also you might benefit from a hot towel before your shave.
I would probably go with a mild razor and bowl lather for a while to see if you can pin-point whats going wrong.

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 11-10-2012, 10:46 AM
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(11-09-2012, 09:22 PM)asharperrazor Wrote: If your up to it, you could try a straight and see how it goes. Probably won't get any improvement until you get the technique down, but people who've switched have reported improvement.

I've been considering buying a straight, but not using it for a while.

(11-09-2012, 10:25 PM)SharpSpine Wrote:
(11-09-2012, 09:41 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote:
(11-09-2012, 09:23 PM)SharpSpine Wrote: What's your skin type?

seems mostly like sensitive, dry skin.

I only ask because I would always get my worst shaves when I used a preshave oil. However, I have oily, yet dehydrated skin. PSO just made things sticky when it should make the razor glide better. I didn't get to where I could comfortably shave daily until I started using a preshave soap. If you haven't tried this yet, then I'd highly suggest it. Also, cold water shaving made a big difference for me.

I was using pre-shave soap (ach brito glyce) for a while. I'd wash my face with the pre-shave soap, apply pre-shave oil and then face lather.

Teiste thinks I'm over exfoliating my skin, since I have extremely sensitive skin, it appears.

(11-09-2012, 10:54 PM)beartrap Wrote: I'll put my 2 cents in...
Stop shaving, I mean if your situation allows, completely stop until your face heals.
Use a moisturizer daily, use the good stuff, don't skimp on it.
When you are healed and ready to try again, prepare your beard. I wouldn't use oil but it's up to you, good wash is all you need.
Looks like you haven't found the right product line yet, so don't change everything at the same time.
Use a bowl to make lather, not to irritate your face. Make a lather extra slick, you can add a squirt of unscented KMF or just glycerin. Paint it on, add more water if needed.
Start shaving with mild razor, really mild, stop experimenting with different tools until you can comfortably shave several times in the row. Zero pressure, very light short strokes. If you feel pain or discomfort, STOP. It will not get better if you continue going over the same spot.
Look at your face now, remember where your problem areas are, where you get most irritated and burned, be extra gentle in those spots, even if it means leaving more stubble there.
I can go on and on but you get the idea, all you need is patience. Once you get that first good, irritation free shave, you'll do even better next time.

not shaving will be no problem. I'll go 2-3 weeks before my next shave. Biggrin

a lot of the stuff you mentioned is stuff Teiste told me to do last night when we were chatting: make my lather in a bowl rather than face lathering and use painting strokes rather than circular strokes. I guess this is all to avoid exfoliating and irritating my skin too much.

what moisturizer do you recommend?

(11-10-2012, 12:21 AM)vuk Wrote:
(11-09-2012, 08:56 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote:
(11-09-2012, 08:48 PM)SharpSpine Wrote: What's your PreShave routine?

depends on the day, really.

most days I'll shave before a shower. I would wet my face, apply pre-shave oil and then face lather.

today, I showed, splashed some water on my face and then just face lathered.

Have you tried a preshave wash before, MR GLO or something like that? Also you might benefit from a hot towel before your shave.
I would probably go with a mild razor and bowl lather for a while to see if you can pin-point whats going wrong.

yes, ach brito glyce.

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 11-10-2012, 10:52 AM
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Ok, Andrew I know you're getting a lot of great tips right now so I'll keep it simple.

1. Let face heal.
2. Eliminate PSO.
3. PreShave soap without lots of scrubbing/massaging.
4. Very slick lather
5. 2 passes max WTG only
6. Lots of post-shave moisturizer. Krampert's has been a Godsend in that regard for me.

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