11-23-2012, 04:59 PM
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Good news for those who restore or build custom brushes. The Golden Nib has a new line of synthetic knots available. The available sizes are 20 mm, 22 mm, and 24 mm. These new knots are softer than the original TGN 23 mm knot (which is still available). These new knots are softer at the tip than the original 23 mm nylon knot but still provide plenty of backbone.

The images below displays from left to right 24 mm, 22 mm, and 20 mm.

[Image: NewTGNSynthetics2.png]

I measured these knots and the following data was obtained.

24 mm knot measured at 23.8 mm

22 mm knot measured at 21.5 mm

20 mm knot measured at 19.6 mm

The 20 mm will work well for those who are restoring Ever Ready and Rubberset brushes that are around 20 mm without having to do a large amount of cutting to widen the hole to accommodate the original 23 mm synthetic.

So if you are into restoring or custom making brushes and wanted a little more variety and softness in a synthetic, these knots may just be what you are looking for.


Here is the new knot at 24 mm (left) vs the old knot which was only available at 23 mm (right) for comparison purposes.
[Image: ComparisonNewvsOld.jpg]

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 11-23-2012, 05:04 PM
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I honestly couldn't tell the difference between the old one and the new one when at the store. Maybe it feels different when lathering?

Tony's daughter also couldn't tell the difference, so it wasn't just me. But, we didn't lather with it.

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 11-23-2012, 05:44 PM
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I have one of the old 23s still unused and it is not a massive difference compared to the new 22 but it seems to have a little less stiffness. That reduced stiffness comes out a little more in the 24 which is the best of the bunch. The 24 flairs out a lot more than the 23 and that could make a difference as well.

Before I am out of commission again, I hope to get the 20 mm into a brush to see how it works out.

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 11-23-2012, 06:24 PM
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Thanks for the information, Gary!

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 11-23-2012, 07:11 PM
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(11-23-2012, 05:44 PM)GDCarrington Wrote: I have one of the old 23s still unused and it is not a massive difference compared to the new 22 but it seems to have a little less stiffness. That reduced stiffness comes out a little more in the 24 which is the best of the bunch. The 24 flairs out a lot more than the 23 and that could make a difference as well.

Before I am out of commission again, I hope to get the 20 mm into a brush to see how it works out.

That makes perfect sense. I think the new ones did bend more now that you mention it.

Again, we didn't actually lather with them. Tongue

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 11-23-2012, 07:18 PM
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Interested to hear how this compares to HIS and Muhle v.2 bristles.

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 11-23-2012, 07:27 PM
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(11-23-2012, 07:18 PM)kentclark Wrote: Interested to hear how this compares to HIS and Muhle v.2 bristles.

Well, I have set one into a handle so hopefully on Sunday morning we will have a lather test of a 20mm.

As for the fibers, it is the same type of fiber as a the Muhle V1 but I do not believe it is "flagged" as much on the ends as the Muhle so it is slightly (very slightly) less soft than the Muhle V1.

As to the Muhle V2 and the H.I.S. fibers. If you look and feel of them closely ... very interesting.

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 11-23-2012, 07:29 PM
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What does flagged mean?

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 11-23-2012, 07:38 PM
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Originally the nylon fibers were simply rounded throughout like fishing line.

What the paint brush industry discovered was that they could flag (split the ends) the bristles to allow the ends to soften up.

http://sharpologist.com/2012/10/syntheti...art-5.html

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 11-23-2012, 08:13 PM
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Thank you for the excellent info, Gary. Looking forward to your future updates, as well.

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 11-23-2012, 10:27 PM
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I am definitely interested in hearing more. I have another Oscar11 handle coming for a matched pair of brushes and am stuck on what knot to buy. I've been wanting a synthetic...

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 11-24-2012, 06:55 AM
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(11-23-2012, 10:27 PM)ShadowsDad Wrote: I am definitely interested in hearing more. I have another Oscar11 handle coming for a matched pair of brushes and am stuck on what knot to buy. I've been wanting a synthetic...

What is the hole size on the handle that Steve is sending?

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 11-24-2012, 09:34 AM
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(11-23-2012, 10:27 PM)ShadowsDad Wrote: I am definitely interested in hearing more. I have another Oscar11 handle coming for a matched pair of brushes and am stuck on what knot to buy. I've been wanting a synthetic...

Brian,
I have one of these synths here and, though I got it last summer, based on the pics that Gary posted I believe it to be one of the newer knots. I originally ordered one to try as part of a group of a bunch of knots and the kind people at TGN threw in an extra synth to try. Since it was PIF'ed to me, I'll happily PIF it to you if it fits into the handle you're getting from Oscar11. PM me if that interests you.
oake

EDIT: Nope, it's one of the older knots. Just took a look at it.

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 11-24-2012, 01:57 PM
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(11-24-2012, 06:55 AM)GDCarrington Wrote:
(11-23-2012, 10:27 PM)ShadowsDad Wrote: I am definitely interested in hearing more. I have another Oscar11 handle coming for a matched pair of brushes and am stuck on what knot to buy. I've been wanting a synthetic...

What is the hole size on the handle that Steve is sending?

I think we decided on a 20mm, but don't hold me to that. It's been awhile since we corresponded and I had to flush my PMs. It would surprise me if it wasn't 20mm since that knot works so nicely for me.

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 11-24-2012, 02:19 PM
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(11-24-2012, 09:34 AM)oakeshott Wrote:
(11-23-2012, 10:27 PM)ShadowsDad Wrote: I am definitely interested in hearing more. I have another Oscar11 handle coming for a matched pair of brushes and am stuck on what knot to buy. I've been wanting a synthetic...

Brian,
I have one of these synths here and, though I got it last summer, based on the pics that Gary posted I believe it to be one of the newer knots. I originally ordered one to try as part of a group of a bunch of knots and the kind people at TGN threw in an extra synth to try. Since it was PIF'ed to me, I'll happily PIF it to you if it fits into the handle you're getting from Oscar11. PM me if that interests you.
oake

EDIT: Nope, it's one of the older knots. Just took a look at it.

Oake,

You won't find the difference to be overwhelming, but when I checked the new 24 to the old 23 the new one had more flex to it and seemed a little softer. Hopefully tomorrow will allow me to use the 20. I prefer the synthetics to be in the 23 - 28 range but I am interested in how the smaller one handles versus the larger one.

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 11-24-2012, 04:31 PM
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Hmm, maybe I will pull the Super out of my Ever-Ready and drop in one of these to try, I have two of the same knots in different brushes, so it won't bother me lol.

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 11-24-2012, 04:38 PM
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(11-24-2012, 04:31 PM)Sodapopjones Wrote: Hmm, maybe I will pull the Super out of my Ever-Ready and drop in one of these to try, I have two of the same knots in different brushes, so it won't bother me lol.

Well variety is the spice of life, or so folks say.

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 11-24-2012, 04:41 PM
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(11-24-2012, 04:38 PM)GDCarrington Wrote:
(11-24-2012, 04:31 PM)Sodapopjones Wrote: Hmm, maybe I will pull the Super out of my Ever-Ready and drop in one of these to try, I have two of the same knots in different brushes, so it won't bother me lol.

Well variety is the spice of life, or so folks say.

Need a like button! Wink

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 12-07-2012, 04:43 PM
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(11-24-2012, 09:34 AM)oakeshott Wrote:
(11-23-2012, 10:27 PM)ShadowsDad Wrote: I am definitely interested in hearing more. I have another Oscar11 handle coming for a matched pair of brushes and am stuck on what knot to buy. I've been wanting a synthetic...

Brian,
I have one of these synths here and, though I got it last summer, based on the pics that Gary posted I believe it to be one of the newer knots. I originally ordered one to try as part of a group of a bunch of knots and the kind people at TGN threw in an extra synth to try. Since it was PIF'ed to me, I'll happily PIF it to you if it fits into the handle you're getting from Oscar11. PM me if that interests you.
oake

EDIT: Nope, it's one of the older knots. Just took a look at it.

Oake, I didn't mean to ignore you. I didn't see this post. Really. I thank you for the offer, and I'd like to keep it open if it's still available.

I may get back to you. For now I have the handle and I'm keeping my options open. I'm really hesitant to use a synthetic knot, yet I'd like to. Does that make sense?

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