11-30-2012, 12:55 PM
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The solid brass frame of a three piece razor.

Can anyone explain it?
I ask this question because I have never heard of a three piece razor having a frame, or being built on a frame.
I ask this question here because vendors are using this description and I could not get an answer from any of them.
Other vendors simply state : head made of zinc alloy and handle made of solid brass. That is describing the same razor.

Help me understand. In return I could tell you how I lost money. Actually I may have a chance to get them back. Very very slim chance, so slim that I already consider them gone.

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 11-30-2012, 01:20 PM
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  • mikeperry
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(11-30-2012, 12:55 PM)VerbaVolant Wrote: The solid brass frame of a three piece razor.

Can anyone explain it?

Hi

It is my understanding they are referring to the base material (brass) used to construct the razor form (overall shape).

The "frame" is then finished (plated) in chrome.

Take care, Mike

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 11-30-2012, 01:31 PM
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(11-30-2012, 01:20 PM)mikeperry Wrote:
(11-30-2012, 12:55 PM)VerbaVolant Wrote: The solid brass frame of a three piece razor.

Can anyone explain it?

Hi

It is my understanding they are referring to the base material (brass) used to construct the razor form (overall shape).

The "frame" is then finished (plated) in chrome.

Take care, Mike

Thanks Mike.
So there is a brass base/frame and they build the razor head on that form/frame. Is that correct?

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 11-30-2012, 02:19 PM
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  • slantman
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Its a brass cast then its chromed. The head might be a zinc cast then its chromed. I can't see how a vendor would know every detail in the making of a razor just the basics.

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 11-30-2012, 02:35 PM
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(11-30-2012, 02:19 PM)slantman Wrote: Its a brass cast then its chromed. The head might be a zinc cast then its chromed. I can't see how a vendor would know every detail in the making of a razor just the basics.

I am not speculating what a vendor might or might not know. I am just surprised that no one ever explained what a three piece razor frame is. Further more, not all vendors use this description when they write about their razors.
I also believe we can no longer hide behind "translation from another language". Magic word: brass.
Thanks for your input slantman. I know you are happy with what you know about this frame.

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 11-30-2012, 03:01 PM
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Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc. Some (not all) razors have brass frames and then either nickel or chrome plated to resist rust.

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 11-30-2012, 03:19 PM
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(11-30-2012, 03:01 PM)slantman Wrote: Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc...
I know what brass is. What I don't know is what a "solid brass frame" is.

(11-30-2012, 03:01 PM)slantman Wrote: ...Some (not all) razors have brass frames and then either nickel or chrome plated to resist rust.
So there is brass, there is zinc alloy and then there is "brass frame".
This might be embarrassing, but still cannot understand what a "solid brass frame" is.

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 11-30-2012, 03:36 PM
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When the term solid brass is used its suppose to mean nothing else has been added.

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 11-30-2012, 05:04 PM
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Verbalant, consider looking at the brass as the 'frame of a house and the chrome as the exterior.

'Three piece' is simply that.

Don't get me wrong... you have a point.

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 11-30-2012, 05:13 PM
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So what happened with lost money?

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 11-30-2012, 05:51 PM
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I interpret it to mean that the handle is brass, plated in chrome, while the head is zinc alloy (pot metal), plated in chrome. Vintage razors were all brass, handle and head.

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 11-30-2012, 10:36 PM
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(11-30-2012, 05:13 PM)beartrap Wrote: So what happened with lost money?

They are in someone else's pockets.
The very short story, my version that is, I bought a "solid brass" razor which isn't really solid brass, more like a frame in solid brass that no one can explain. No, this didn't happen on eBay. I find this embarrassing.

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 12-01-2012, 09:09 AM
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Based upon your previous threads regarding this matter, in this particular case the vendor in question misrepresented the product. Although there was some confusion on what the definition of "sold brass frame" meant, they had emailed you that the handle and head where solid.

A frame is only the skeleton if you will, so it is not like the handle or head is only a skeleton of brass with a thin skin of chrome. The razor you purchased had a sold brass handle plated in chrome, with a head manufactured from a cast alloy plated in chrome.

Other vendors who are selling the same item had seem to have no problems getting the product data from the OEM.

Depending how you paid open a dispute with either PayPal or the Credit Card company. The vendor will be forced to take some action, in most cases they must respond within 10 days.

You should not have a problem getting your back, especially if paid via PayPal.

Good luck.

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 12-01-2012, 11:37 AM
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Thank you.
Waiting to hear from PayPal.

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 12-01-2012, 11:51 AM
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VV it's good you went through PP. Most vendors don't want to mess with them. It can be bad for business.

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 12-01-2012, 11:56 AM
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(12-01-2012, 11:37 AM)VerbaVolant Wrote: Thank you.
Waiting to hear from PayPal.

I certainly hope you contacted the vendor first.

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 12-01-2012, 03:32 PM
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I certainly wish you hadn't used the razor. That would have strengthened your claim IMO, but I don't work for PayPal. Now the razor is used, and used by the person who might want to return it. IMO, not the best position to be in.

Good luck.

When I recently had the claim against my e-bay seller once I found the first problem I stopped immediately and went no further. Period. When I saw the 2nd problem I did so from outside the unit with a flashlight through the grating.

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 12-01-2012, 06:17 PM
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(12-01-2012, 11:56 AM)bullgoose Wrote:
(12-01-2012, 11:37 AM)VerbaVolant Wrote: Thank you.
Waiting to hear from PayPal.

I certainly hope you contacted the vendor first.

I believe 16 emails to be enough. This whole saga started on Oct 11.
But this is not the purpose of this thread. I wanted to know what most experienced members of this forum know about the "solid brass frame"
It is possible there is a good reason behind this wording. I simply don't know.

(12-01-2012, 03:32 PM)ShadowsDad Wrote: I certainly wish you hadn't used the razor. That would have strengthened your claim IMO, but I don't work for PayPal. Now the razor is used, and used by the person who might want to return it. IMO, not the best position to be in...

I did not use the razor. I never opened the box. I simply refuse to accept delivery of this package. It just went back to the sender.

(12-01-2012, 03:32 PM)ShadowsDad Wrote: Good luck.
Thank you. I really don't know what to expect from PP since this is my first claim. And it has been escalated to a claim.

(12-01-2012, 03:32 PM)ShadowsDad Wrote: ...When I recently had the claim against my e-bay seller once I found the first problem I stopped immediately and went no further. Period. When I saw the 2nd problem I did so from outside the unit with a flashlight through the grating.
I apologize, I do not understand what you say, so I cannot learn from your experience.

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 12-01-2012, 08:12 PM
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Sorry. I misunderstood. I thought you said you had used it.

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 12-01-2012, 08:18 PM
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(12-01-2012, 07:48 PM)bullgoose Wrote: Clearly I am missing something here. Is there another thread that fills in the content so I can follow along. Huh

I do apologize for the confusion Phil, there is no separate thread dealing with this issue. I did not want to open one just because I was hoping to have this issue sorted out. That didn't happen, and before I am confortable posting again I wanted to make sure it is not just me that has problems understanding the "solid brass frame" idea.

I posted bits and pieces in a couple of other threads just to express my personal opinion.

The question remains, what is a "solid brass frame" when describing a three piece razor?

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