12-08-2012, 12:22 PM
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As most of you know I am quite fond of 2 band brushes. I own about 20. Those are 9 Simpson (soon 10), 4 Thäter, 3 Rooney Heritage, 2 WSP (Monarch, Prince), 1 TGN (RV custom). 1 M&F and now one 1 VB (soon 2).

What I like about 2 band hair is the combination of very soft tips (I cannot take any scritch), sufficient backbone to manage hard soaps easily and limited bloom to keep better control while face lathering.

I stuck to named brands (Simpson, Rooney, Thäter) before trying a TGN knot and lately I have take a dive into even less expensive brushes completely made in China but distributed in the U.S. via U.S. vendors (so no eBay FS etc.).

I wanted to provide a comparison of these brushes for those who are wondering if it is worth to spend $100-200 for an equity brand 2 band or stick with a less expensive (less quality?) brush.

Below are the comparison candidates:

1st batch (from left to right)
M7 Simpson (23/52mm) ~ $250
Rooney Heritage Emillion 2 (24/50mm) ~ $160
VB Finest (24/55mm) ~ $30
Thäter Finest 4292/5 Bulb (25/54mm) ~ $165
TGB Finest (RV Custom 24/52mm) ~ $80


2nd Batch: (from left to right)
Thäter 4125/0 Finest Bulb (22/50mm) ~ $145
WSP Prince (23/46mm) ~ $50
Rooney Heritage Stubby 1 (22/46mm) ~ $130

3rd batch
VB Finest (24/55mm) ~ $30
WSP Monarch (23/53mm) ~ $80

I chose these batches because they group brushes with similar knot and loft sizes. Criteria for comparison: Softness, Flowthrough, Density, Backbone, manufacturing quality. I the end I also have a look at the VB vs. the WSP Monarch. Of course all of this is YMMV and not representative as I had only one brush each to look at.



Batch 1 M7 Emillion 2 VB Thater TGN
Softness ++ + ++(+) ++ 0
Flowthrough ++ ++ + ++ ++
Density + + ++ + +
Backbone + ++ 0 ++ ++
Mfg Quality ++ ++ + ++ +

Batch 2 Thater Stout WSP Prince Stubby 1
Softness ++ + +
Flowthrough + + +
Density ++ + +
Backbone ++ ++ +
Mfg Quality ++ 0 ++

Batch 3 VB WSP Monarch
Softness ++(+) ++
Flowthrough + ++
Density + +
Backbone 0 +
Mfg Quality + ++

Other items to consider but more YMMV:
The handle design on the Simpson, Rooneys and Thäter brushes is clearly much more sophisticated.

The TGN, VB and Prince knot showed more variety in length of hair (some stray hairs). The Prince surprised with a left over nylon bristle in the middle of the knot that I had to cut out…

Durability? Only time will tell, if the less expensive knots fall apart faster. None of the brushes in this test had a lot if initial shedding but the PJ 2 (it stopped eventually). Then if you pay $30 i/o of $200 it is ok if the knot falls apart faster…

So what is the bottomline?

If you want a very soft 2 band brush that will give you a great lather with a nice face feel and you do not want to spend triple digits the VB and the WSP do just fine. Actually the VB should be your pick because of the lowest price in this comparison.

WSP and VB knots are superior to TGN knots (in my opinion).

Softness of WSP, VB, Thäter, Simpson knots are very similar. Current Rooney is a bit behind (the E2 is newer stock). Older Rooney (Stubby 1 is from the earlier “gel like” batch is the same).

The VB is very, very soft – I guess the softest… but also for me has the least backbone … Sometimes I thought this to be a Thäter 3 band…

Handle design … a matter of taste… VB most boring… WSP (Prince boring, Monarch a Kent handle design)… Simpson (for me the best!!).

If you buy a Kia and a BMW, both will get you from A to B (most of the time)… but the BMW gets you there more comfortably…


WSP, VB maybe produced by the generic Chinese vendors that you can buy brushes from on eBay. But you have the additional quality control of a named US vendor behind it (and do not need to worry when you get what).

I like the VB and WSP brushes and they are definitely great value for money. VB is the best value in this comparison.

I will keep them in my rotation. But I will still be buying Simpson and Thäter brushes as well for the same reason I drive a BMW…

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 12-08-2012, 12:56 PM
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Thank you so much German for sharing this very insightful post. Now it's time for me to drool over your pictures some more. Babeando

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 12-08-2012, 01:27 PM
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  • beartrap
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Nice! I definitely need to translate this into my own chart to keep sane Biggrin
+ = good?
++ = very good?
+++ = never better?
0 = NA or no good?

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 12-08-2012, 01:43 PM
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  • tgutc
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Great Thread! I prefer 2 band brushes also so this thread is very interesting to me. Based on your charts and comparing the prices my next choice would be the WSP Monarch.

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 12-08-2012, 01:59 PM
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(12-08-2012, 01:43 PM)tgutc Wrote: Great Thread! I prefer 2 band brushes also so this thread is very interesting to me. Based on your charts and comparing the prices my next choice would be the WSP Monarch.

These 2-band knots are also available in different sizes. So you can also get a custom brush made at whatever loft you prefer.

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 12-08-2012, 02:25 PM
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  • Teiste
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Excellent work , German !

Thanks for taking the time and posting it.

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 12-08-2012, 03:59 PM
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Now that I was banned at B&B my comment is erased along with 400 of my recent posts there, so let me repeat what I said there here:

Very nice work, German !

I know you love your Simpson 2-Bands, but interesting to see a comparison between several other 2-Banders BadgerBadger

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 12-08-2012, 04:10 PM
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  • Teiste
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(12-08-2012, 03:59 PM)CHSeifert Wrote: Now that I was banned at B&B my comment is erased along with 400 of my recent posts there, so let me repeat what I said there here:

Very nice work, German !

I know you love your Simpson 2-Bands, but interesting to see a comparison between several other 2-Banders BadgerBadger

I dont want to highjack this superb thread by German , but whaaaaaat???
Anyway , Claus , you know this is your online "house" and we are very please to have you here.

Back to the great thread.

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 12-08-2012, 04:40 PM
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Great work and thanks for the post! You sure have a wonderful collection of brushes.

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 12-08-2012, 04:52 PM
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  • MickToley
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I might have to get a couple of Thater brushes before the year is over.

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 12-08-2012, 05:03 PM
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(12-08-2012, 04:10 PM)Teiste Wrote:
(12-08-2012, 03:59 PM)CHSeifert Wrote: Now that I was banned at B&B my comment is erased along with 400 of my recent posts there, so let me repeat what I said there here:

Very nice work, German !

I know you love your Simpson 2-Bands, but interesting to see a comparison between several other 2-Banders BadgerBadger

I dont want to highjack this superb thread by German , but whaaaaaat???
Anyway , Claus , you know this is your online "house" and we are very please to have you here.

Back to the great thread.

Not to hijack it twice, but... What Teiste said.

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 12-08-2012, 05:35 PM
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(12-08-2012, 03:59 PM)CHSeifert Wrote: Now that I was banned at B&B my comment is erased along with 400 of my recent posts there, so let me repeat what I said there here:

Very nice work, German !

I know you love your Simpson 2-Bands, but interesting to see a comparison between several other 2-Banders BadgerBadger

You are welcome at the Nook my friend!

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 12-08-2012, 09:02 PM
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  • Samjax
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Excellent review!

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 12-08-2012, 10:00 PM
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  • Songwind
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Great thread. Ever since I got my Semogue OC 2-band, it's been my go-to brush. Looks like it needs some company.

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 12-09-2012, 03:31 AM
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  • VT_Hokie
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Outstanding job, German.

Thanks very much for taking the time to put this together!

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 12-09-2012, 03:43 AM
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German, as I have stated elsewhere, great job and I look forward to your review of the 22 mm VB.

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 12-09-2012, 03:49 AM
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  • Agravic
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An excellent and informative review!
Clearly the right Rx for anyone with SBAD!

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 12-09-2012, 04:52 AM
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Very nice work my friend, this answered my questions!

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 12-09-2012, 07:06 AM
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  • oscar11
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Sorry if this is inappropriate to post this pic on this thread but here's my 28mm WSP knot temporarily set at 52mm. Yesterday I had it at 55mm. I'm about ready to get the glue out. I don't have the experience German has but feel this knot is way beyond the TGN's and they're a pretty good knot. It's nice, very nice.
[Image: HMWWSP_001.jpg]
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 12-09-2012, 07:43 AM
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Thanks for your help in setting up the tables ... Biggrin
(12-08-2012, 12:56 PM)SharpSpine Wrote: Thank you so much German for sharing this very insightful post. Now it's time for me to drool over your pictures some more. Babeando

The 22mm will arrive Tuesday. In the above comparison clearly the VB brush is the best value. For face lathering I expect the 22mm to be better. Though the 24mm leaves a real nice luxurious feeling. Keep you posted...
(12-09-2012, 03:43 AM)GDCarrington Wrote: German, as I have stated elsewhere, great job and I look forward to your review of the 22 mm VB.

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